Thoughts on Modelers Owned- Kemper, Fractal, Headrush

Chris6542

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Felt like writing something tonight so I thought I'd offer thoughts on modelers owned in the last 3 years. Inexpensive first... Digitech RP360XP: With tweaking, good solid tones, surprisingly good and tasteful effects, and the best drum loops you will ever hear in an effects box, a reason to keep alone. A steal for $100 used (Kept). Ampero 2 Stomp: Very impressive all around but overdrive tones that sound too similar to each other, cleans very good, overdrives lean small & buzzy, great bang for buck though. An "A minus Tier" unit, very impressive all around (Sold). POD GO: Great live tool and execution, not a fan of Line 6 overdrives (Sold). Flamma FX100: Surprisingly impressive for $100, quite good tones, great backpack backup (Sold). Valeton 200: Cool execution but substandard OD tones and awful drum machine (Sold). Line 6 HD500X: Quite impressive all around, overdrives "pretty good", not fun interface (Sold). Headrush Pedalboard/Gigboard (1st Gen): Quite impressive all around, great bang for buck used, great cleans and good effects, overdrives mediocre. 1st Gen Headrush products had like this glossy sheen over all the tones, cool on the cleans but irritating on the overdrives, just real hi-fi, cant be dialed out, something they remedied in the Prime/Core (Sold). Kemper Stage: Top tones, merely decent interface. The only modeler tones I end up staring at the speakers when playing back stuff I recorded to multitrack. Something about Kemper capture tones that really shine on recorded multitrack playback. The best overdrive from a modeler I've ever heard, interface not real pleasant (Sold). Fractal AX8: A great sounding unit with great layout for live, a bit of a clunky interface, let it go as it was no longer supported, but great tones for sure (Sold). Fractal FM3: Really the perfect execution balancing small size, capabilities, and user experience, a terrific piece of engineering. Great menus, great control face, pretty compact, the best effects in any modeler, and very good tones. All that said, there's something kinda sterile about my FM3 tones I can't really verbalize, something that doesn't quite pull me in, high a quality as the tones certainly are, just feels sterile but could be me. An all-around terrific product that's well worth $800 or $900 on the used market (Kept). Headrush Prime: Bought when they first came out, was blown away in every respect, sold it thinking I loved my Kemper & Fractal more, ended up missing it, and just bought another, now my main workhorse, a monster of a product, A-Tier tones for sure, and tones I somehow find more inspiring than by Fractal or Kemper, it's hard to describe, the sounds really unique, but I would say just as good. The Prime Cloud is awesome, really slick experience, the workflow, scenes/songs, just the layout and workflow is terrific. Obviously the big touchscreen is great and makes any changes mere seconds with a finger. I think the Prime initially was received kinda luke-warm, maybe not appreciating the vision & personality of the product, and acknowledging the vocal stuff does needs update, but overall, and esp on tones, it's a true A Tier machine that really nails all aspects, and I think a machine people are now understanding just what a massive product it is, only problem is physically its big, though that gives you plenty of room and plenty of switches live, so much nicer than small units like QC or FM3. The tones of the Prime are "juicy" and intriguing, inspiring me on songwriting ideas more than any other machine. It's captures are very good, though high gain & heavily compressed amps can be hit or miss on captures as the software struggles to make sense of it, something Kemper captures can be as well. In short, the Headrush Prime just really seduces you, a very slick machine that inspires so much, great effects, and tones definitely better than the 1st Gen HR products. If this machine said Fractal on it, even with a few minor shortcomings, it would be heralded for sure (Kept). On build quality, no real complaints on all units. Even on the small inexpensive products built in plastic, sufficiently robust, all products well enough built to me. So, after 3 years of buying & selling a ton of modelers (and probably more than I can remember), I've settled in with my 3 machines, Headrush Prime, Fractal FM3, and Digitech RP360XP, a very capable backpack backup with killer drum loops. Three modelers that I've really connected with. At the end of the day, all modern modelers can do the job, it's all in what YOU connect with.
 
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I am pretty happy with my FM3. I generally stick with cleaner amp models and virtual pedals to push the amp, and that seems to work for me. There is also a host of really great ambient sounds in there, too.
 
Felt like writing something tonight so I thought I'd offer thoughts on modelers owned in the last 3 years. Inexpensive first... Digitech RP360XP: With tweaking, good solid tones, surprisingly good and tasteful effects, and the best drum loops you will ever hear in an effects box, a reason to keep alone. A steal for $100 used (Kept). Ampero 2 Stomp: Very impressive all around but overdrive tones that sound too similar to each other, cleans very good, overdrives lean small & buzzy, great bang for buck though. An "A minus Tier" unit, very impressive all around (Sold). POD GO: Great live tool and execution, not a fan of Line 6 overdrives (Sold). Flamma FX100: Surprisingly impressive for $100, quite good tones, great backpack backup (Sold). Valeton 200: Cool execution but substandard OD tones and awful drum machine (Sold). Line 6 HD500X: Quite impressive all around, overdrives "pretty good", not fun interface (Sold). Headrush Pedalboard/Gigboard (1st Gen): Quite impressive all around, great bang for buck used, great cleans and good effects, overdrives mediocre. 1st Gen Headrush products had like this glossy sheen over all the tones, cool on the cleans but irritating on the overdrives, just real hi-fi, cant be dialed out, something they remedied in the Prime/Core (Sold). Kemper Stage: Top tones, merely decent interface. The only modeler tones I end up staring at the speakers when playing back stuff I recorded to multitrack. Something about Kemper capture tones that really shine on recorded multitrack playback. The best overdrive from a modeler I've ever heard, interface not real pleasant (Sold). Fractal AX8: A great sounding unit with great layout for live, a bit of a clunky interface, let it go as it was no longer supported, but great tones for sure (Sold). Fractal FM3: Really the perfect execution balancing small size, capabilities, and user experience, a terrific piece of engineering. Great menus, great control face, pretty compact, the best effects in any modeler, and very good tones. All that said, there's something kinda sterile about my FM3 tones I can't really verbalize, something that doesn't quite pull me in, high a quality as the tones certainly are, just feels sterile but could be me. An all-around terrific product that's well worth $800 or $900 on the used market (Kept). Headrush Prime: Bought when they first came out, was blown away in every respect, sold it thinking I loved my Kemper & Fractal more, ended up missing it, and just bought another, now my main workhorse, a monster of a product, A-Tier tones for sure, and tones I somehow find more inspiring than by Fractal or Kemper, it's hard to describe, the sounds really unique, but I would say just as good. The Prime Cloud is awesome, really slick experience, the workflow, scenes/songs, just the layout and workflow is terrific. Obviously the big touchscreen is great and makes any changes mere seconds with a finger. I think the Prime initially was received kinda luke-warm, maybe not appreciating the vision & personality of the product, and acknowledging the vocal stuff does needs update, but overall, and esp on tones, it's a true A Tier machine that really nails all aspects, and I think a machine people are now understanding just what a massive product it is, only problem is physically its big, though that gives you plenty of room and plenty of switches live, so much nicer than small units like QC or FM3. The tones of the Prime are "juicy" and intriguing, inspiring me on songwriting ideas more than any other machine. It's captures are very good, though high gain & heavily compressed amps can be hit or miss on captures as the software struggles to make sense of it, something Kemper captures can be as well. In short, the Headrush Prime just really seduces you, a very slick machine that inspires so much, great effects, and tones definitely better than the 1st Gen HR products. If this machine said Fractal on it, even with a few minor shortcomings, it would be heralded for sure (Kept). On build quality, no real complaints on all units. Even on the small inexpensive products built in plastic, sufficiently robust, all products well enough built to me. So, after 3 years of buying & selling a ton of modelers (and probably more than I can remember), I've settled in with my 3 machines, Headrush Prime, Fractal FM3, and Digitech RP360XP, a very capable backpack backup with killer drum loops. Three modelers that I've really connected with. At the end of the day, all modern modelers can do the job, it's all in what YOU connect with.

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Here is my rub with multi-effect modelers. Like computers, the tech ages out rather quickly. My H9 has already been replaced by the H90. That being said, I have been able to remove all modulation and delay pedals from my board. If I spent more time with the H9/H90, I could probably also get rid of my dirt pedals. Eventide is great at coming up with new algorithms and discreetly adding them to my pedals when I do a firmware upgrade. Both pedals made my last recording session a dream I never had to focus on my pedal board at any time.
 
Securb.....yeah, I've been intrigued by the Eventide offerings, hear amazing things about their products. There may be an H90 in my future.
 
Securb.....yeah, I've been intrigued by the Eventide offerings, hear amazing things about their products. There may be an H90 in my future.

As I have told many, many H9 users ditched their H9s when the H90 came out. I kept mine and use both. However, I have seen the H9s on the used market for $299-$350. The H9 used is a great way to enter the platform. The H9 uses the same algorithms as the H90, the big difference being the interface and the H90's ability to give you two algorithms at the same time. I will also say the H90 is more performance-friendly, not that I ever had a problem using the H9 Live. Navigation with your feet is simpler with the H90.
 
Here is my rub with multi-effect modelers. Like computers, the tech ages out rather quickly. My H9 has already been replaced by the H90. That being said, I have been able to remove all modulation and delay pedals from my board. If I spent more time with the H9/H90, I could probably also get rid of my dirt pedals. Eventide is great at coming up with new algorithms and discreetly adding them to my pedals when I do a firmware upgrade. Both pedals made my last recording session a dream I never had to focus on my pedal board at any time.

Did it really have to be replaced or did you just want to? The appearance of the H90 didn't alter the sounds of the H9. They are still quite good
 
Did it really have to be replaced or did you just want to? The appearance of the H90 didn't alter the sounds of the H9. They are still quite good

I still had a Chorus and Flanger on the board for times when I needed two effects. However, once I went to the H90, there was no need for the additional pedals. Now it is just the H9 and H90 on my board with a bunch of gain pedals. I do have a couple of songs where I might use three effects during the song. You are right. The appearance of the H9 does not alter the sound of the units. The algorithms sound identical when using either one.
 
Just to throw my couple cents in here, I use a Headrush Pedalboard, the first version, for my main rig these days. I have amps, and I have plenty of pedals, but the convenience and the sheer range of tones I can get are worth it. I play a lot of gigs with in ear monitor systems now, and not having to lug an amp ever really streamlines my setup and tear down, and allows me to do the cover band thing super easily.

Drive sounds are great, modulation is amazing, and the versatility can’t be beat. Plus the touch screen interface put it over the Helix immediately, plus the price being cheaper was better. It’s like the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Slightly cheaper, and a touch screen is like saying “Don’t Panic.”
 
I currently use a Headrush Core. I love it. No troubles so far. I mainly use a few Amp Clones of two variations of Fender Deluxe Reverbs and sometimes a Continuum amp. I play mostly 80's, 90's and 2000' Pop, Rock and R&B in a cover band and Contemporary Worship at church. I have no complaints.

I've owned the HELIX, HX Stomp and the Fractal FM3 with FC6 foot controller. All great units but I landed with the Headrush Prime Core and love it.
 
i get the convenience piece, but ive used a few high end modelers and im sticking with my old amps. helix, fractal, headrush... all felt lacking
I felt the same about HELIX and HX Stomp amp modeling. I still have both tube amps and a modeler. I like the Headrush because it can clone a real tube amp, which I things provides a more authentic tube amp sound then a amp model. In my experience the cloning tech Headrush uses is on par with Kemper, Quad Cortex, and ToneX. I also have a ToneX One pedal and I've compared the sound of a real VOX Bruno tube amp, the Headrush clone and the ToneX capture. All three were so close that there was barley any difference. The only thing is that the real amp sounded a bit fuller listen in the room but, the playback sounds of the recording with the same microphone used in the cloning was almost no difference.
 
Sometimes I use my Fractal for effects only, through a tube amp (Mesa Blue Angel), or a modeling amp (Tone Master Deluxe). And sometimes I use it through a fr/fr amplification system, like a Fender FR-10. It sounds great either way.
 
Here is my rub with multi-effect modelers. Like computers, the tech ages out rather quickly. My H9 has already been replaced by the H90. That being said, I have been able to remove all modulation and delay pedals from my board. If I spent more time with the H9/H90, I could probably also get rid of my dirt pedals. Eventide is great at coming up with new algorithms and discreetly adding them to my pedals when I do a firmware upgrade. Both pedals made my last recording session a dream I never had to focus on my pedal board at any time.
This has been my experience as well. I think that these units have to present something unique, something that remains covetable, if they are to be sought after in the future. People still buy, say, the Eventide H3000 units, even though they are primitive by modern standards, because they have a sound of their own. I am not convinced that many of the modern modellers will pass the threshold of notability when they retire from the mainstream.

That said, I got rid of my pedalboard setup for an HX Effects some years, and although I couldn't be happier for now, I am probably going to get whatever Eventide has out when the Line 6 is no longer shiny enough for me.
 
I used an HX Effects for years, and reverted back to an M13. It just sounded better. And the legacy effects in the HX Effects are supposed to be the same as in the M-series, but they don't sound the same at all.
 
Yes, I remember your not being satisfied with the HX. I haven't tried the two back to back, but being a lover of the rig (as opposed to the pedalboard), I don't think I could live with the extra routing flexibility.
 
Yes, I remember your not being satisfied with the HX. I haven't tried the two back to back, but being a lover of the rig (as opposed to the pedalboard), I don't think I could live with the extra routing flexibility.
There were some great sounds in the HX Effects, although in the end, the 'build a chain of effects and switch between them' paradigm was a problem for me. And the fact that it didn't have the warm sound of the DL-4's delays, and the M-series phasers.
 
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