Thoughts on the budget Gibson LPJ's ?

[Securb]

Re: Thoughts on the budget Gibson LPJ's ?

Carry on with you delusions though, like the one that blackfaced Silverface amps are anywhere near as good as Blackface ( there are many many difefrences besides the simple circuit tweak on even the Deluxes)..don't let me stop you.Ignorance truly IS bliss.

I guess Hendrix was ignorant then because the man used Silverface Showmans. You can add Jack White, Jerry Garcia and Ted Nugent to the list of Silverface users that are ignorant also.

Then there are these four guys that know nothing about music or tone.

 

[MetalManiac]

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HI Securb..I couldn't care ;less if Allah himslef played one..Boat anchors. I honest and truly to god wouldnt have one if you gave it to me.Maybe a Deluxe, early, but even then. I've got enough junk around here I can't sell, and they aren't worth two dumps and never will be, no matter how you try and make them in Pre-CBS amps, cause they are what they are. Cue The clueless guys w/ silverface amps who are butt-sore. it AINT about chagning a few caps and resistors and PRESTO CHANGEO -yoou now have a Blackface!! ..if it was everyone would be on the bandwagon for those heaping pieces of..well, anyway..I about puked when I saw the reissue thread.

 

[MetalManiac]

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sorry for the sidetrack of the thread.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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Weight-relieved and chambered are two totally different approaches to guitar building. If the guitar is weighing in at 9 lbs I would guess it is weight-relieved.

Weight-relieved

Chambered

http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifesty...relief-gibson-les-paul-guitars-0615-2012.aspx

Ahhh gotcha !


Thanx


;-)

 

[Securb]

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HI Securb.. Cue The clueless guys w/ silverface amps who are butt-sore.

I've got enough junk around here I can't sell, and they aren't worth two dumps and never will be, no matter how you try and make them in Pre-CBS amps, cause they are what they are.

I have a Silverface I have played it for 35 years and I am not buttsore. I love my amp and my tone. Tone is subjective and personal. If you don't like a piece of gear, a clear and informed review of the piece of equipment is definitely a help, all opinions are important. When you rant that Silverfaces are "boat anchors" and not only slam a piece of equipment but then go on a personal assault of anyone who purchased it as "ignorant", that doesn't help anyone. It actually makes me question your credibility. The Silveface is one of the best selling amps of the 70's and a quality piece of gear. Are Silverfaces as good or better than a Blackface? That is not something that can be concluded with a fact, it is opinion and preference. What I do know is the Silverface is a quality amp made by a technology leader and innovator in music, played by many groundbreaking guitarists and featured on almost every important modern rock recording. You seem to be the one that is buttsore because you can not move gear. That would be due to your sales skills and not Fender's competency as a manufacturer.

 

[Myaccount876]

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What makes wood a tonewood, and what makes that tonewood superior?

Is it the age? Weight? Knots? Amount of fibers? Moisture? Appearance? How can you gauge it? Cost is not a gauge, as it is not scaled consistently from source-to-source.

All Gibsons come from the exact same planks of wood. The fairly large scraps are simply used for the lower end models. That said, piece count is not consistent at all. I've seen 2 and 3 piece bodies on Faded models, and 5 pieces on Standards. Also, the piece count is fairly inconsequential. In any test where the listener does not see the guitar being played at all, it is impossible to tell how many pieces are used based on sound. And if a guitar sounds bad, there is no way to possibly isolate factors such as piece count or quality of wood used as individual causes for any sound. Science, being the answer, simply requires a control that is not possible in those cases.

In the end, all factors are meaningless, and the overall sound that matters is cumulative of everything, including the listener's ears, with every person literally hearing differently. That is why the sound remains subjective, and limited to only personal opinion.

That being said, playing is where it counts.

 

[Zombiwoof]

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Chambering and the Swiss Cheese hole thing are both methods of weight relief. When Gibson says "traditional weight relief", they mean the swiss cheese holes method, if the guitar is chambered, they will specify that. Of course, there were many years when Gibson was using the weight relief holes in LP's, and not saying anything about it. It wasn't until some guys had their guitars x-rayed (probably at an airport) that the "secret" got out, then Gibson had to own up to the fact they had been doing it for some time on the production LP's. But these days they let you know which method is used, or if the body is solid wood, in the descriptions. Thanks for posting the pics, that demonstrates the differences. As I said, in the description for the guitar that the OP linked to, it says it uses "traditional weight relief", that's the swiss-cheese holes method shown in your first pic.

Al

Weight-relieved and chambered are two totally different approaches to guitar building. If the guitar is weighing in at 9 lbs I would guess it is weight-relieved.

Weight-relieved

Chambered

http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifesty...relief-gibson-les-paul-guitars-0615-2012.aspx

 

[jimijames]

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I think this would seriously affect the traditional Les Paul sound as there isn't any finish on the wood to trap the sound of the wood or the resonance of the pickups.

If you have the resources to apply a final finish (Clear polyurethane or a clear Nitro-Cellulose Lacquer) the sound of the guitar would probably improve.

I'm sorry but both of these statements are wrong - I direct your attention to number 17 on this page, or this article on lacquer, or in the alternative, to "finish and tone" halfway down the page of this article, and this article, and this article too.

There's no consensus on whether or not the finish of a guitar affects the tone of an electric guitar. But, the people who say it does universally agree that thinner, oil and polish-based finishes > Lacquer and Poly finishes.

Insofar as acoustic instruments are concerned, you might notice that the high end stuff uses finishes made of things ranging from actual food, to things used to coat jelly bellies. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's anywhere close to a modern spray on finish is violin varnish.

So, if you buy into the notion that an electric guitar's sound is affected at all by the finish you put on it (which would in all likelihood be so minor as to be imperceptible), literally every article I've ever found about finishing instruments suggests that less is more in terms of acoustic wave propagation in media like wood.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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http://www.themusiczoo.com/product/16652/Gibson-LPJ-Electric-Guitar-Rubbed-Goldtop/



. . . i still like this Les Paul !


;-)

 

[epi]

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I think there really nice but I find $800(CAN) is to much for what they are and come with for me I would pay maybe $599 max for the SGJ and maybe $699 if I am feeling good they are as basic as basic can be its a more subjective thing

 

[OsvyRock]

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I would like a goldtop or white one, swap the stock pickups and install a Pearly Gates set on it.
Just for a change you know, without spending all the $$$ for a ''real'' Les Paul.
I believe it will still somehow nail the classic LP tone.

 

[jimijames]

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I would like a goldtop or white one, swap the stock pickups and install a Pearly Gates set on it.
Just for a change you know, without spending all the $$$ for a ''real'' Les Paul.
I believe it will still somehow nail the classic LP tone.

Haha, yes - somehow, some way, I think it just might get close to the les paul tone. I mean, you're going to have to work at it, but something tells me with determination and perseverance you might be able to get close.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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Haha, yes - somehow, some way, I think it just might get close to the les paul tone. I mean, you're going to have to work at it, but something tells me with determination and perseverance you might be able to get close.

IMHO, with a Graphtech nut, RS Guitarworks electrics, and a GOOD set of pick ups (Duncan, Stephens Design, Bare Knuckle), the tone/sound will be as good as i would like it to be.

my 2 cents

 

[ekalks]

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I own a Gold rubbed one . I bought it when it first came out last year. All I can say is that it's an awesome guitar. I was going in to check out a Les Paul Traditional and this one played and felt a lot better. I was shocked when I found out the price and bought it on the spot!

 

[blues]

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While not my cup of tea one thing I noticed is the price. Some may like them as is,others may hate them,and some will find then a good platform for modding them.

The Music Zoo seems to be over priced on everything they sell. So I think the guitar could sell for even less that they are asking for them now.

A guitar does not need fancy appointments to sound good. A thinner or different finish could be a good thing too. A lot of people liked when Gibson came out with the standard faded modal Les Pauls. People are still interested in them even though they dont make them anymore. A Larry Corsa modded standard faded could rival a historic reissue in tone. He made youtube examples to prove it.

But someone who payed 3 times as much for their historic wont admit that a cheaper guitar can sound good as is. Binding dont make a guitar sound better either. A Les Paul jr. with a p-90 can sound killer and they were budget guitars when the came out in the 50s.

A good player can make what some would consider a cheaper modal Les Paul like this one sound good. But a not so good player may not sound to good on a $8000 Jimmy Page custom shop guitar.

The word tonewood has be thrown around the last few years. Maple is Maple,mahogany is mahogany,ash is ash. Yes some pieces may be lighter or heavier. Some would say that can effect tone. I think it can.

Tone wood is a marketing buzzword. Fender calls the alder and ash bodies tone woods when they are talking about their custom shop modals. When they want $5000 for a bolt on neck guitar they use the word tonewoods. Maybe they think its a better grade of alder or ash. But its still the same kind of wood.

Hell you could call any wood you use on a guitar tonewood.

 

[ekalks]

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I can't agree with you more. I had a Les Paul Standard way back and this guitar kills it in terms of playability. I have a lot of electrics and am currently having a custom Les Paul built for me by a luthier so I have a little experience.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

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I own a Gold rubbed one . I bought it when it first came out last year. All I can say is that it's an awesome guitar. I was going in to check out a Les Paul Traditional and this one played and felt a lot better. I was shocked when I found out the price and bought it on the spot!
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SEXY !!!

Can not wait to see how that guitar will look with cream pu-covers, an aged nikle-neck pu cover (ala BK pu's) and an open coil bridge (in black) pu, and black with gold top hat knobs.

 

[Wattage]

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Here's my buddy Brian demonstrating one