Thoughts on the EMG 60A

Inflames626

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Hi all,
I rarely see this pickup discussed as opposed to the famous EMG 60, so I thought I would describe my experiences with it. For those unfamiliar with the 60A, it differs from the 60 in that it has an Alnico rather than ceramic magnet, so the 60A has more low end and sounds warmer than the 60.

Guitar: Kramer Assault 220 Plus, EMG 85/81 stock, volume/volume/tone .047 tone cap, Original Floyd Rose, 25.5" scale length, set neck Les Paul copy. I think I picked up this guitar for $600-700. One of the very best values I've had for the money as the OFR and pickups alone would be worth $400 or so.

The only downside to the guitar is 25.5" Les Paul copies tend to feel weird as the body can be small and rounded while the neck feels overly long until you are used to it.

Putting the pickup in was just a matter of taking the 85 out of the neck and moving it to the bridge with the quick connects. The 60A went into the neck. The stock 81 I took from the bridge will be used with another project.

The only other modification I made was I used the 24 Volt Mod on this. It fit perfectly into the 9 volt battery clip. The wiring inside was very neat and tidy from the factory. The guitar was made in Korea.

My main concern with the 60A is I thought it would sound mushy and inarticulate compared to the 60, which I associate with a bright clean like a Roland JC120 amp. However, with the 24 Volt Mod the pickup was very lively and reminded me of an Alnico II Pro bridge pickup in the neck. It was warm but also cut through with the extra voltage. It was very musical and flute-like. 18 volts will make EMGs less compressed. Going to 24 will speed up your transients and make the tone feel different under your fingers in my experience.

Where I was not impressed was with the 85 in the bridge. I know a lot of people like the 85 because it has more body and low end than the 81, but I found it mushy even with 24 volts. This might not be the case if it is in a fixed bridge guitar.

I will remain an 81 bridge guy because I think the low end and transients are tighter relative to the 85. The 85 certainly doesn't sound bad, but it isn't optimal to me.

My main conclusion was that for people who like a hot pickup like 85 in the neck to solo with may want to try a 60A in 24 volts if the 85 is too much or inarticulate.

I will keep the guitar set up like this so it is an Alnico/Alnico guitar. I like using Alnicos on one side of a mix and ceramics on the other so the warmth and brightness balance each other out.

The 60A is a great pickup. The only downside relative to something like an A2P is you obviously don't have all the wiring choices you get with a 4 conductor passive pickup. If you just need one tone, then the less flexible EMGs will do the job.

So if you aren't digging the 60 and find it a bit thin or bright, try a 60A. Also, don't be afraid to up the voltage if you need the pickups to cut through a bit more.

Hope this helps.
 
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I've wanted to try the 60A for a looooooooooong while. Great to hear your thoughts!

About the 85 in the bridge... yeah. I kinda like but only in some very specific scenarios only. Otherwise, I feel the attack is too laid back, and it has a lot of stuffy low mids as well. It does nail the The End of Heartache tone through a 5150, though.
 
Rex Rocker , you described the 85 in the bridge really well. Laid back attack. Even though it doesn't sound like a JB, it reminds me of the things that I dislike about the JB, mainly the "stuffy low mids" you mentioned.

I find a lot of people go to the 85 when they think the 81 sounds thin and weak, but it just doesn't work for me.

Many years ago I used an 89 in the bridge, which is like an 85 but allows coil splitting to the rear coil. I found that a much better experience. It was thicker and chunkier than the 81 but had a faster attack. Perhaps that would be a better choice (the 89r is the same pickup but with the neck coil being split, and the 81tw is the 81 with the bridge coil split, and I'm also fairly sure there is an 81tw-r for the front coil, but IME the 81 in the neck is terrible).
 
I agree. The 89 in humbucker mode is actually leaner and tighter than 85. I like it better too.

The 81TW in humbucker mode also doesn't sound dead-on like an actual 81. It's fatter and lower output.

I don't mind the 81 in the neck. It does have terrible cleans, but the lead tones are cool, IMO.

You should also try the 57. It's fat in the lows like an 85, but also has some top-end sparkle to counter that.

I used to be obsessed with EMG's, and I tried as many as I could. Have you tried Fishmans? They're my newest obesssion, LOL. IMO, they do what EMG's do, but better. IMO, of course.
 
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I haven't tried Fishmans but EMGs sound...I dunno...processed enough? Fishmans sound absolutely clinical. I could see them in a technical death metal band or something, but they are so flat.

I've thought about buying an Epi Extura that comes with them stock and using it for more death metal and modern sounding stuff.

I thought maybe the Fishmans might also sound like some of the Lace Alumitone stuff which can sound really flat/bright to my ears.
 
Oh, the Epi-exclusive Fishmans are all passive-voiced, I think. So they're not much like the Moderns which are the ones I meant.

Honestly, the Moderns don't sound all that different from the 81/85 combo... just slightly better. And with a ton more options. IMO, of course.
 
The ones I've seen for the Exturas are moderns and then pull the volume knobs for passive voicings. They aren't the artist signature Fluences, though (it seems like there are a bunch of those).
 
The ones I've seen for the Exturas are moderns and then pull the volume knobs for passive voicings. They aren't the artist signature Fluences, though (it seems like there are a bunch of those).
No, they're not Moderns. They look like Moderns, but they're Epiphone-eclusive Fishmans. They're voiced around Gibson pickups. One vintage voicing, and one modern voicing, but they're modeled after a vintage-voiced Gibson pickup and a modern-voiced Gibson pickup. Whatever that means. I'm guessing PAF-ish, and then 500T or 498T. I've tried Emailing Fishman about them, but they're kinda secretive about what they actually are.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind trying out a set of those as I really like both Fishman and their interpretation of the pickups they model their own after and Gibson pickups.

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Cool, thanks for clarifying, because the biggest thing that was swaying me toward them was the pickups. They may be worth something some day as Epi exclusives, or they may be worthless because they're not "real" Fishman Fluences.

I'll have to reconsider those now especially since I have so many Explorers and already have the 498t/500t in other guitars.
 
The 60A is what I always thought the 85 was suppose to be in the neck. I am not a fan of hot neck pickups so the 85 in the neck always baffled me. I do dig the 85 in the bridge for anything other than techy/progressive metal. I think it helps in locking trem guitars add balls like a Tone Zone does, but with an LP style guitar the 85 might be too much? Although I ran a 85 / 60A for years in an LP until 57/66 and then the Retro Fat 55s. The 89 remains a favorite too. I have read that at some point EMG manufacturing changed - outsourced? And the preamps are inferior? So post 201x... are not as good? Can anyone confirm?

The Fluence Classics are probably my favorite active at the moment. I do have Fluff's signature pickup which seems to be the best metal active pickup IMO, maybe ahead of the KSE depending on tuning.

Thanks for tips on those Epi Exclusives...see them trying to be unloaded but always kept away since they were hardwired and not 3 voiced. I just wish Fishman offered all finish options on all pickups. So many great signature pups that fail ascetically IMO - which for decades is what people complained about EMGs.
 
The 60A is what I always thought the 85 was suppose to be in the neck. I am not a fan of hot neck pickups so the 85 in the neck always baffled me. I do dig the 85 in the bridge for anything other than techy/progressive metal. I think it helps in locking trem guitars add balls like a Tone Zone does, but with an LP style guitar the 85 might be too much? Although I ran a 85 / 60A for years in an LP until 57/66 and then the Retro Fat 55s. The 89 remains a favorite too. I have read that at some point EMG manufacturing changed - outsourced? And the preamps are inferior? So post 201x... are not as good? Can anyone confirm?

The Fluence Classics are probably my favorite active at the moment. I do have Fluff's signature pickup which seems to be the best metal active pickup IMO, maybe ahead of the KSE depending on tuning.

Thanks for tips on those Epi Exclusives...see them trying to be unloaded but always kept away since they were hardwired and not 3 voiced. I just wish Fishman offered all finish options on all pickups. So many great signature pups that fail ascetically IMO - which for decades is what people complained about EMGs.
I posted a while back about several EMG's that I bought new and sounded weird. Someone from this forum let me know that one of the parts they used in their original preamp was discontinued, so they switched to another. Whatever it is, in my experience, new EMG's do sound different. One of the reasons why I stay away from EMG's these days. Gotta say, though, the Jim Roots do sound nice! But they sound nothing like the classic 81/85/60/57/66/Hets.

What's the Fluff pickup like? I know Voice 2 on it is pretty much a clone of Voice 1 on the Adler bridge pickup. I'd be down to give that a try. I love my Adlers. But what about Voice 1 for the Fluff pickup?

And I agree about the finish options. I have a set of Adlers that have always struggled to find a home and are just sitting around right now, because they look so attrocious on almost anything, LOL.
 
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I prefer old/hardwired/block letter EMG NOS over new stuff, but I thought it was my imagination. And the ability to swap pickups via the Quick Connects so easily is worth it.
 
I haven't tried any older hardwired EMG's, and I don't find much difference with the block logos, but I think the change happened relatively recently... like 2017-2018.

I had a 2020 set of 57/66 set that I sold to get a scratched up 57/66 set that looked like shit, but sounded much better. Also had an 81/85 set that sounded super weird as well.

I haven't bought EMG's since then other than the Jim Roots. I seriously hope they sorted it out by now, because the difference wasn't subtle to the point where EMG's don't sound like EMG's anymore, IMO. Another reason why I like Fishmans, LOL. They sound more like EMG's should these days than EMG's themselves.
 
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I haven't tried any older hardwired EMG's, and I don't find much difference with the block logos, but I think the change happened relatively recently... like 2017-2018.

I had a 2020 set of 57/66 set that I sold to get a scratched up 57/66 set that looked like ****, but sounded much better. Also had an 81/85 set that sounded super weird as well.

I haven't bought EMG's since then other than the Jim Roots. I seriously hope they sorted it out by now, because the difference wasn't subtle to the point where EMG's don't sound like EMG's anymore, IMO. Another reason why I like Fishmans, LOL. They sound more like EMG's should these days than EMG's themselves.

You can find great deals on the used/Reverb section of EMG's site. I snagged a couple of 60s for about $120--the same price I paid for them new in the late 90s. And those back then were block letter/hardwired versions.

The downside is you don't get the Quick Connect/bus wiring kit with the used/factory blem EMGs. In my case I'll buy Quick Connects separately, cut the connector off one end, strip the wires, and solder since I solder most of my Duncans anyway. I'll still have the benefit of the Quick Connect on the pickup side.

These will be going into single volume/3 way toggle Jackson Kelly/ESP Gus G I have along with the EMG 81 I took from the Kramer and an older 90s era 81 I have, so the wiring job won't be that complicated. Hot and grounds to the switch, power wires soldered together, switch to volume, volume to jack.
 
No real urge to try more "organic" sounding EMGs (Het set, 57/66, Retroactives) since to me these sound more rounded like the 85 and I like a bright, thin, somewhat compressed bridge pickup sound.

I do like using the EMG HZs (HZ1, HZ3, HZ4) with the SD Triple Shots as a compromise. They sound 90% like active EMGs and you get all the diverse wiring options of passive pickups. They're just a bit weak on output but some people might hear this as easier to mix in a song since they don't overpower everything and don't require a lot of high/low shelving since like most EMGs they are very mid focused.

I don't think anything EMG can do will top Blackouts (AHB-1/AHB-3) for me at this point, as I prefer those for my more death metal oriented guitars and I like my EMGs for E-D standard.

I consider the AHB-3 to be my perfect active pickup at this point. Ironically it's a little better used in lower tuned guitars since it has a tighter, brighter sound.

The AHB-1 is more like an EMG 85 and the AHB-3 is like an EMG 81. The AHB-1 is a bit chunkier and the AHB-3 can sound a little thin unless you are in a super low tuning. I have an AHB-3 set in a C standard Floyded Jackson Kelly and it still sounds a bit thin sometimes. But it shines in solos and cleans.
 
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I honestly think the whole "more organic" thing with the 57/66 and Hets is pure hype. Don't get me wrong, I do like them. A lot, actually. But people hear what they want to hear. Both the 57 and Het Bridge are hotter than the 81, but they have the exact same preamp (not the X series preamp, as some people will say). So if you look at their DI's, there's no arguing they're technically more compressed. Period. They do have a different kind of attack, though, I suppose because of the polepieces rather than blades. But I still think they're worth a try. Neither is as fat as the 85. The 57 is close, but it also has more top-end detail (perhaps even more than the 81, although less of a high mid spike) to counter that. But the Het is just a tiny bit fatter than the 81. Ultimately, I still prefer the 81, TBH, because the lean low-end and high mid focus make it sit in a mix beautifully.

I'm not a fan of the AHB-1, personally. Too over-the-top for me. Like you, I prefer pickups with a lean low-end, and that one has A TON, even compared to passives. Each to his own. :)
 
Good stuff, Rex_Rocker . Glad we see stuff the same way.

Since 2010 or so the entire industry has seemed to go back to a PAF tone, which I don't really like by itself but in a mix is very nice. I track rhythms a lot with the 498t/EMG HZ1 (about 14k resistance) or even with a Full Shred for a reason. Cleaner, clearer, less scratchy, and I can dial in stuff from the amp if needed.

I don't see myself as using something like a Duncan Distortion for rhythm. Too much going on in the mids and top end. But an 81...it just sits in the mix right even though it can seem lacking by itself compared to more modern pickups.

The X series pickups are, to my understanding, equivalent to regular EMGs in 18 volts. Since I use the 24 Volt Mod the X series isn't really relevant to me anymore.

I'm surprised the 60/60A did not get their own active split-able variants like the 81tw and 89.
 
Yeah, the X Series, I don't know the exact details, but to my understanding, they're just one part different in the preamp which gives them more headroom, but also slightly lower output. You're right. To me, they just sound like if you turned the volume knob a notch on an 18V-modded standard series EMG. I was disappointed when I tried the 81X/60X combo out, not because they're bad, but because they're nothing new either.

I actually really like the 498T as well and the 500T that we discussed in your other thread. And Gibson pickups in general. I actually find it interesting that you like the 500T but not the Distortion. Not that they're clones of each other, and you're right, the Distortion is brighter and more raspy, but they're not that far off, IME. At least not in the grand scheme of things.

And out of the HZ bunch, I actually find the H1 to be the standout for me. Overall, not a big fan of the HZ series, but out of all, the H1 is the one that sticks out the most to me as the most balanced and mix-ready.

So yeah, LOL. We have very similar taste in pickups.
 
Rex_Rocker , if you read my thread on the HZ1 (it is actually higher output than the HZ2) you'll find it sounds great with a Triple Shot and phase switch. Lots of useful sounds. I have them in an LTD EX.

The 498t is my favorite for tracking rhythms. I have it in a Hamer Scarab. Very balanced and even. I like the 500t a little less but I would use it on the right side of a mix with the 498t (left is "rhythm/darker" and right is "lead/brighter" when I mix usually).

I'm guessing the Dirty Fingers will be most like the Distortion. I will try the DF but I doubt I will like it. I will try the 498t in the neck for something different. I'll let you guys know via a thread how that goes.

I do love the Distortion, but just for tracking solos with a little bit of compression. I have mine in a Jackson DK2S with Sustainiac, and it really works well when you flip on the infinite sustain switch. Very bright and cutting.

However, I will swap that out for a PATB Distortion. I tried a PATB Original set and find them superior to both the Distortion and the Full Shred (which I love). And with those H shaped pole pieces they look cool in a V due to all the angles.

If you generally like the Full Shreds, Demon, Distortion, etc., try something from the Parallel Axis series. I'll bet you'll like it. They're very articulate and hi-fi but there's just more of everything due to the increased output.
 
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