Treble bleed?
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papersoul
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Hw are the Dimarzio pots better? What don't you like about treble bleed circuits, they don't effect the tone on ten...they just add clarity when rolling off volume. I use my volume knobs a lot so it helps!
Blix, where to get the Dimarzio pots?
Hw are the Dimarzio pots better? What don't you like about treble bleed circuits, they don't effect the tone on ten...they just add clarity when rolling off volume. I use my volume knobs a lot so it helps!
Blix, where to get the Dimarzio pots?
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The DiMarzio pots have a taper that feel very natural to me, they're all I've used for the last 15 years or so.
They are CTS pots with a custom taper for DiMarzio.
Treble bleed just doesn't feel or sound right to me. I use my volume all the time and prefer the natural response of the pot alone.
Here's a few VH riffs I recorded I while a go which is a good example of how my guitar cleans up.
The DiMarzio pots have a taper that feel very natural to me, they're all I've used for the last 15 years or so.
They are CTS pots with a custom taper for DiMarzio.
Treble bleed just doesn't feel or sound right to me. I use my volume all the time and prefer the natural response of the pot alone.
Here's a few VH riffs I recorded I while a go which is a good example of how my guitar cleans up.
Mr 9finger
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I use them on every guitar I rewire, so all of them lol! I hate I lose the high end when I roll the volume pot back. It's still cleanish, but still has that crispness you have when your guitar is full on. Without them, I think it sounds mushy when you roll off the volume.
I use them on every guitar I rewire, so all of them lol! I hate I lose the high end when I roll the volume pot back. It's still cleanish, but still has that crispness you have when your guitar is full on. Without them, I think it sounds mushy when you roll off the volume.
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Listen to my clip above, no mushyness, plenty crispness.
It highly depends on the rig of course though, and me not using tone pots probably contributes as well. And of course the type of pickup. In the clip I use a bucker with very mismatched coils, which cleans up very well.
Listen to my clip above, no mushyness, plenty crispness.
It highly depends on the rig of course though, and me not using tone pots probably contributes as well. And of course the type of pickup. In the clip I use a bucker with very mismatched coils, which cleans up very well.
papersoul
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I find my guitars way to harsh or bright with no tone pot. I also like to be able to get a darker tone from time to time. But honestly I can see why many prefer no treble circuit. I mean there are many times when rolling down volume, where you want the tone more mellow and darker!
I find my guitars way to harsh or bright with no tone pot. I also like to be able to get a darker tone from time to time. But honestly I can see why many prefer no treble circuit. I mean there are many times when rolling down volume, where you want the tone more mellow and darker!
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But as I showed, the tone does not have to get mellow or darker when rolling down your volume using no treble bleed....
John Suhr's treble bleed is supposed to be very good btw.
But as I showed, the tone does not have to get mellow or darker when rolling down your volume using no treble bleed....
John Suhr's treble bleed is supposed to be very good btw.
papersoul
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I think that is because you have no tone cap. Aren't there times you want the tone to be mellower and not as bright when rolling off???
But as I showed, the tone does not have to get mellow or darker when rolling down your volume using no treble bleed....
John Suhr's treble bleed is supposed to be very good btw.
I think that is because you have no tone cap. Aren't there times you want the tone to be mellower and not as bright when rolling off???
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If I want more mellow I pick closer to the neck and often using my fingers together with the pick for chords, to mellow it out. Or use the neck pickup.
If I want more mellow I pick closer to the neck and often using my fingers together with the pick for chords, to mellow it out. Or use the neck pickup.
papersoul
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Good point, with the treble bleed and tone knob, plus ability to pick closer to neck or just switch to the neck, offers the most versatility. I find no tone pot makes the guitar way too bright.
If I want more mellow I pick closer to the neck and often using my fingers together with the pick for chords, to mellow it out. Or use the neck pickup.
Good point, with the treble bleed and tone knob, plus ability to pick closer to neck or just switch to the neck, offers the most versatility. I find no tone pot makes the guitar way too bright.
Ashurbanipal
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I use the mod on everything, as I don't switch channels to get clean. Imo, Kinman style (resistor and cap in series) is the best - sounds most natural (there's a thread about it in the vault). It does make the pot taper a little different, mainly between 10 and 7 or so. When you have it on full, the sound is fat and wide open; turn it down a little, there's a small loss of gain, so it's perfect as a kind of boost for going from rhythm to lead, one of the reasons why I like it.
Parallel cap/resistor sounds too bright to me; cap alone a bit less.
I use the mod on everything, as I don't switch channels to get clean. Imo, Kinman style (resistor and cap in series) is the best - sounds most natural (there's a thread about it in the vault). It does make the pot taper a little different, mainly between 10 and 7 or so. When you have it on full, the sound is fat and wide open; turn it down a little, there's a small loss of gain, so it's perfect as a kind of boost for going from rhythm to lead, one of the reasons why I like it.
Parallel cap/resistor sounds too bright to me; cap alone a bit less.
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Sounds amazing the first time I tried it. Really adds a lot of versatility to a dual humbucker setup. I think it's absolutely mandatory when using single channel amp. It's like having a gain knob on the guitar.
Even with high output bucker it cleans up to funky strat tone. Sounds better than split coil IMO.
Sounds amazing the first time I tried it. Really adds a lot of versatility to a dual humbucker setup. I think it's absolutely mandatory when using single channel amp. It's like having a gain knob on the guitar.
Even with high output bucker it cleans up to funky strat tone. Sounds better than split coil IMO.
papersoul
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Played the Shiva for a while tonight. Man, I love playing this amp, just so creamy and rich. I also opened up my PRS to see if I could adjust my volume knob. Some songs like Bullet with Butterfly Wings, I like a more mellow clean tone for the bridge but PRS uses a treble retention circuit to retain treble as you turn down or should I say feed treble into the signal as it is turned down, so the signal always sounds too hot to me when turned down. All I did was removed the treble circuit and now it is perfect!
Played the Shiva for a while tonight. Man, I love playing this amp, just so creamy and rich. I also opened up my PRS to see if I could adjust my volume knob. Some songs like Bullet with Butterfly Wings, I like a more mellow clean tone for the bridge but PRS uses a treble retention circuit to retain treble as you turn down or should I say feed treble into the signal as it is turned down, so the signal always sounds too hot to me when turned down. All I did was removed the treble circuit and now it is perfect!
papersoul
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You need magic ears to hear a difference. I hear no difference at all! :no:
You need magic ears to hear a difference. I hear no difference at all! :no:
