triple coil pups, the holy grail?

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karpathion said:
would it really change anything i mean wouldnt it still be a single coil pickup.
well i guess youd get a tone change.
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Well it would change the look of the pickup which for me I'd prefer over the look of slugs, plus I prefer the sound accenuating the high end of hex poles in general
 
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ModestCargo said:
Looks to me like if you don't like the pickup and want to convert it into a player, you could just stick a normal 'bucker in there and a Strat type SC next to it. That would fill up all the space and sound pretty good I think.

I'd put one of the switches as on/off/split for the bucker, and on/off for the single.
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It's not like I don't like the sound, I just don't care of the "look" of the 3 coil bucker. As far as converting this into a player, not on your life I've had it for 4 or 5 years probably and it's only been out of it's case twice. This is going to fetch me a pretty penny when I decide to sell it.
 
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i never realy noticed the difference myself. but i've only had one guitar with singles in it
and it wasnt a very good one it was a squier(however you spell that) back when first started making them.
 
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I had a "The Strat" back in the 80's that I had a guy make a 27" scale neck for. (Guess I had the original Subsonic.)

Anyway, I had a Super Dist in the bridge and then I rammed an Invader up next to it -- after a real hack job chiseling wood out of the body with a screw driver to make room for it -- and wired it up so that the Invader coil immediately next to the Super D was the 3rd coil in series with it, and I had a coil split switch that would choose between The Super D alone and all 3 coils in series. (I had another Super D laying around and I replaced the big Invader poles with Super D screws which turned out to be a perfect fit/direct replacement.)

I used the other coil of the Invader as a single coil middle pu, although I removed a bunch of turns of wire from it to keep it nice and thin. It had a killer bridge/middle tone with the Super D.

Bottom line, this 21-22k triple coil configuration sounded pretty good as I recall, although keep in mind this was a 27" scale guitar with .009's on it, so that countered whatever mud you might get with standard 25" scale and .010's or higher.
 
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Zhangliqun said:
I had a "The Strat" back in the 80's that I had a guy make a 27" scale neck for. (Guess I had the original Subsonic.)

Anyway, I had a Super Dist in the bridge and then I rammed an Invader up next to it -- after a real hack job chiseling wood out of the body with a screw driver to make room for it -- and wired it up so that the Invader coil immediately next to the Super D was the 3rd coil in series with it, and I had a coil split switch that would choose between The Super D alone and all 3 coils in series. (I had another Super D laying around and I replaced the big Invader poles with Super D screws which turned out to be a perfect fit/direct replacement.)

I used the other coil of the Invader as a single coil middle pu, although I removed a bunch of turns of wire from it to keep it nice and thin. It had a killer bridge/middle tone with the Super D.

Bottom line, this 21-22k triple coil configuration sounded pretty good as I recall, although keep in mind this was a 27" scale guitar with .009's on it, so that countered whatever mud you might get with standard 25" scale and .010's or higher.
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that is so awesome:fing2::clap:
 
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Who's seen this DiMarzio/Vox effort in the Vox Virage?
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Its a triple blade that is said not to hum. Direct competitor to P-Rails, except that its only available on those guitars AFAIK.

Its also an odball shape as far as I can tell and not an aftermarket option.
 
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Very interesting. I've been thinking of making a triple coil minibucker on a regular humbucker baseplate...
 
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Ibis I am guessing by the pictures it would fit in any soapbar cavity. Hopefully Dimarzio with release it individually eventually. I would think it would outsell any of their soapbar/p-90 pickups.
 
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Fender has the Marauder, a new guitar they released a while ago in their Modern Player series, which has a "triple bucker" in the bridge

http://www.fender.com/series/modern...rauder-rosewood-fingerboard-lake-placid-blue/

Sounds kind of like what you're talking bout. They also recently released a bass with the same triplebucker pickup as well

http://www.fender.com/series/modern...on-bass-rosewood-fingerboard-candy-apple-red/

The sound clips I've heard for the Marauder sound pretty cool.
 
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Would it be possible to "glue" 2 lil 59s together for a full sized hb 4 coil p/u?

cg
 
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Regarding a triple coil with full size humbucker bobbins, they're not made because they don't sell. The main reason they don't sell is guitars are not made with pu cavities routed for them or pickguards cut for them. The secondary reason is the third coil would bring in frequencies you really don't want in a bridge pu, something "gucky" sounding, sort of like a middle pu because that's what's coming off the string there.

I had a Strat with a custom-made 27" scale neck on it back in the 80's and I rammed a couple of Super Distortions together (did terrible things to that Strat with a chisel) and wired them up so that I could switch from the SD next to the bridge in standard series mode to that SD in series with the nearest coil of the other SD, all in series. So instead of the standard 1 coil/2 coil split, I had 2 and 3.

It worked very well for me I think because of the longer scale, which meant an expansion of the length of string with what we think of as bridge bucker frequencies for that extra coil to see. But it would probably be muddy on a traditional 24-25" scale guitar because of those "guck" frequencies. (What did I use the 4th coil for? Why, a single coil middle pu of course, which also worked very well.)

You might be able to solve the "guck" problem by pushing the triple coil a little closer to the bridge though. It would bring in the really high treble close to the bridge and I don't know if that would be a plus or minus, though probably not neutral.

But such pickups will never be big sellers because there are so few guitars made that have room for them.
 
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Or how about this, four mini humbucker coils in a full sized humbucker slot. ;)

ETA: Dammit, I got beat to it. :)
 
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As mentioned before, Kramer made The Quadrails for awhile, which were two rail pickups combined into a humbucker. The almost universal consensus was that they were too "muddy." Theories were put forth that they may have been designed for young metalheads that were playing through transistor amps, and the brightness of those amps may have counterbalanced the muddiness of the Quadrails. I've had several Kramers with the Quadrails and while they're okay for lead playing, I also felt they were too muddy for most rhythm applications.
 
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a few months back i saw a pup on ebay which was basically a strat sized rails humbucker with a normal single coil next to it, squished together into a humbucker mounting. as i'm planning to make a bit of a replica-ish evh 5150 clone at some point in the future I thought that the combination of 3 coils in a single bridge route could give a cool variety of tones. my plan is to grab a jbjr and a stack plus single coil and whack em side by side. that'll give me hum cancelling with all 3, jbjr, jbjr-stack hybrid, & stack on its own, and hummy split coil options as well. fingers crossed for awesomeness :)
 
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eviltobz said:
a few months back i saw a pup on ebay which was basically a strat sized rails humbucker with a normal single coil next to it, squished together into a humbucker mounting. as i'm planning to make a bit of a replica-ish evh 5150 clone at some point in the future I thought that the combination of 3 coils in a single bridge route could give a cool variety of tones. my plan is to grab a jbjr and a stack plus single coil and whack em side by side. that'll give me hum cancelling with all 3, jbjr, jbjr-stack hybrid, & stack on its own, and hummy split coil options as well. fingers crossed for awesomeness :)
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What kind of magnets does it have? If two coils have a bar magnet on the bottom and one has rod magnets the magnetic field will be screwed up for everybody. 3x rod magnets would be even worse.

If all coils feed off the same bar magnet that might work OK. One coil would be too far away but better than having the mother of all distortion fields.

However, once you go bar magnet and passive polepieces the Strat sound is gone.
 
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