Triple Shot mounting rings

[John Wymore]

Re: Triple Shot mounting rings

I got in only two sets of singles today and should have a few more tomorrow. Somehow SD screwed up and didn't send my big order of 30 sets which should have been the first ones out the door. I have asked those to be overnighted to me so hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday on those. These are arch and flat black only, no cream.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Probably because they had to split up the ones they had on-hand among all their dealers. I'm sure you're not the only one who got just 2 sets.

What I wanna know is, are we gonna have a repeat of the last time?

 

[John Wymore]

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What I wanna know is, are we gonna have a repeat of the last time?

Holy hell, I hope not!! That recall cost me a ton of time and effort not to mention tying up the cash. I had shipped out several sets of the wrong ones before they discovered the problem.

I think the problem with my big order was it got filled with defective units originally so it might not have shown open still even though it needed to be replaced with corrected parts. I talked with SD yesterday and hopefully it's all straightened out and parts are air shipping to me.

 

[greatbob6]

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Thanks for the update John! Hopefully everything is straightened out so I could possibly be popping these things in my guitar this weekend!

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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That's another reason I wanted to keep mine and see if I could fix them. Glad I did, too.

Only you guys can say if the wait was worth it, as each situation is different. I have no qualms about drilling new holes for switches and stuff and replacing pots with push pulls, but TripleShots definitely have the advantage IMO.

I'm realyl rather anxious for others to get theirs, because I'd like to get some input from the wiring gurus on advanced (2-pickup) schemes. This can be done more easily in a pickguarded guitar because of the open cavity, so there's definite possibilities, even though the switches themselves are prewired for their assigned functions (Series/Parallel and Split to either coil).

I imagine there are combos that could be wired, though.

 

[mxmann]

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Could a phase switch be added/hacked in? Shouldn't be hard to hook the start & end of one coil to a switch, then the output of that back to the coil's original contacts on the T-Shot. Hmmm... Might hack that in when my order gets here so I can hear what all possible P-Rails sounds are like...

 

[John Wymore]

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Looks like all my black ring orders are here as of this morning. Will be shipping like crazy today and probably into tomorrow.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Could a phase switch be added/hacked in? Shouldn't be hard to hook the start & end of one coil to a switch, then the output of that back to the coil's original contacts on the T-Shot. Hmmm... Might hack that in when my order gets here so I can hear what all possible P-Rails sounds are like...

You can hook the TS 2-conductor cable to a mini-toggle for phase swapping.

 

[mxmann]

Re: Triple Shot mounting rings

True - but my TS is going into a single pickup Gibson Melody Maker reissue, so I was thinking more along the lines of inter-humbucker coil phase switching (putting the rail in or out of phase with the p90 coil of the p-rail).

Sounds like these should be shipping out to us soon (thanks, Wy!) so I'll hunt down a toggle & test it before drilling any extra switch holes anyplace. The route in these things is cavernously deep under the MM's single coil, so I've got plenty of room for wiring shenannigans.

Hopefully, Happy Father's Day to me!

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Push-pull will do it as well. Surely it has a volume knob?

 

[mudpuppy]

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That was great news from Wymore. I've had my TS set on backorder since May 6. When these arrive I'm going to do a complete electronics upgrade on my Epi LP: New pots, caps, jack, Jazz/Demon. There are a couple question I have regarding using two triple shots (in single coil mode for both HBs): For the various switch settings: 1) Which combinations are hum canceling? and 2) Which combinations are in phase?

I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to install a push/pull phase switch, or if I can get phase reversal from one or more of the TS settings.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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The TS doesn't do Phase on anything.

From what I can tell by further examination of the tracers on the board, I get the feeling that the way they're wired to each other is what determines their functions - the Series/Parallel switch doesn't appear to be wired like a stand-alone series/parallel mini-toggle.

To get phase reversal, you'll have to swap the leads that come from the TS at the main toggle switch of the guitar (3-way, rotary, etc).

Here's a note from Frank about wiring the TS up for Phase Reversal in the control cavity:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showpost.php?p=2189168&postcount=6

 

[mudpuppy]

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The TS doesn't do Phase on anything.
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That makes sense. I would also suspect that neck facing coil of neck pu with bridge facing coil of bridge pu, and bridge facing coil of neck pu with neck facing coil of bridge pu would be the hum canceling combinations.

I might try a push/pull switch for out-of-phase at a later date. I wouldn't want to just wire it up reversed to the three-way, as I would want in-phase 90% of the time. I figure that even without out-of-phase, I'm going to be looking at 24 different pickup configurations to mess around with. I also wonder why they called them triple shots. You get 4 different configuration per pickup, so shouldn't they be quadruple shots?

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Yeah, the whole name-thing escapes me :lol:

[edit]
Oh DUH! Because you have 3 switching options: Parallel, Split to Inner, Split to Outer. Series is the standard humbucker setup, so it's not really a 4th option.

DOH!

 

[frankfalbo]

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Bingo! That's it. You would have had series anyway. This is 3 new sounds. The name came from the inventor, Jaimie Shane, and that's the reasoning.

For switching phase of an individual coil, you'd have to insert the phase push/pull on the coil wires before they hit the Triple Shot. Wire the switch to swap black and white or red and green. That would get you the internal phase switching. That's a pretty unpopular sound, so I doubt it would ever be worked into a version of the Triple Shot.

 

[Jet-Jaguar]

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Guess what came in the mail today? My Triple-shot rings! Thanks John!

Granted, I'm going to be hanging around all my guitar friends tomorrow, and I have no time to put them in, so it would have been better if they arrived last week, but it is so much better that they actually work than that they arrive sooner.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Triple Shot mounting rings

Dude, installation takes 20 minutes for the very first one, including iron heating and finding the right way to wrap the leads under the pickup. You'll have plenty of time to wire them up, trust me.


Disconnect the pickups and get them mounted to the rings, then before you solder anything, find the best way to wrap the leads under the pickup and tape them in place, then test-fit them into the cavity. Should take maybe 5 minutes unless you hit it lucky first try. Once that's done, solder the connections to the boards and bolt it all down.

Wire the B&Ws to the main switch and away you go.

 

[Jet-Jaguar]

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Dude, installation takes 20 minutes for the very first one, including iron heating and finding the right way to wrap the leads under the pickup. You'll have plenty of time to wire them up, trust me.

That may be true, but I have to get the apartment cleaned up today. It's a scheduling thing.

 

[Veto87]

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John
Have you shipped all your flat blacks yet?
Anxiously waiting since March 28th !!!

 

[Jet-Jaguar]

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So, I put them in last night, and the thing that kept coming to mind is that SD should make a triple-shot ring, already hooked up to a pickup, as a custom-shop option. Granted, it would limit the amount of guitars you'd be installing it into (because of the flat vs curved options.) But it would seem to allow for a better fit into the pickup cavity, because if you never remove the pickup from the guitar, the extra pickup wire is superfluous.