Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

[SunIsLoco]

I'm looking to rewire my Les Paul Studio. I just installed a PGB/JazzN combo along with triple shots, and I'm looking to do something similar using push pull wiring ONLY, along with series/parallel (and maybe OOP too, if possible).

Here's the diagram I'm starting with, which shows how to apply Triple Shot logic to both humbuckers at the same time using 2 push-pulls:




The diagram only uses 2 push-pulls, so my question is: is it possible to extend this wiring with another push-pull or two to get series/parallel wiring, i.e. pull to get whatever is selected on each humbucker in series with each other?

So basically, with the third push-pull pushed, you would get the standard configuration shown in this diagram, but when it is pulled, you get:
1. parallel humbuckers in series together
2. outer coils in series together
3. inner coils in series together
4. series humbuckers in series together.

I think this would be a cool configuration, since you get 2 virtual humbuckers with the outer and inner coils, as well as the broadbucker AND a third kind of virtual humbucker when both pickups are wired in parallel, and are in series together.

If possible, wouldn't mind a fourth push-pull for out of phase wiring too, like a standard Jimmy Page wiring but instead of 2 push-pulls being used to split each coil individually, they are used to split both at the same time and select the active coils.

So does a diagram for something like this exists already, or can anyone can give me tips on how to extend it? I know I can achieve this with the triple shots I already have, along with 2 push/pulls for series/parallel and OOP, but if possible I'd rather do it all with the push-pulls alone (the Triple Shots are great, but a little long for my guitar so they bow up and look a bit silly)

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

If I'm not mistaken, I think I need to combine it with this diagram:



I would use the tone pot wiring from the first diagram, then take the two outputs from the bridge tone pot that go to the volume lugs and wire them up as the white wires on the volume pots of the second diagram, then take the ground wires from the neck tone (from the green wire connections in the first diagram) and wire them up as black on the volume pots in the second diagram.

Make sense?

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

I think this would be a really cool setup, especially for someone (like me) who doesn't see much utility in having the flexibility to combine a single coil and a humbucker in the middle position - the levels and impedances are just too different, it's almost impossible to find a sweet spot that gets both signals.

Instead of that, you get the option to spit to inner or outer coils, the two virtual humbuckers that come with that, as well as parallel wiring on each pickup that can also be combined in series. More usable sounds than TS or JP wiring, if you ask me!

I'll try to draw the idea up in a singular diagram and post it soon.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

You can combine those drawings and it will work fine.

But have you ever used these wiring options before?

I had it in my SG for over a year and gigged with it most weekends. I almost never used the OOP. It's not usable by itself as is, but at minimum always requires rolling one of the volmes off different from the other, or \requires OOP and pickups in series together, but even then, I only ever used them just to hear what they sounded like and never once in over a year of gigging, playing covers, ever found a use for those sounds on any song in practice.

As far as mating a split coil with a humbucker, I used that all the time. It gave me a cleaner middle position sound. If the bridge was split and the neck was humbucker, it was a warm clean. If the neck was split and the bridge was humbucker, it was a bright clean. Parallel coils also helped with this. My most used setup was neck pickup in parallel and bridge in normal humbucker series coils.

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

No, I doubt I'd use OOP at all to be honest, but I've had trouble combining a single coil with a humbucker, I can't quite dial in a sound that isn't 90% one or the other.

The multiple options for series wiring is what really intrigues me, 3 extra virtual humbuckers could be cool. OOP is just for something to do with the last push pull.

That said, if a wiring exists that lets me split coils individually but also lets me choose the coil, I would prefer that definitely.

 

[VinceT]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

It may be because I’ve had a long day already, but do you have Triple shots installed in the guitar or not (I think yes, but not sure given some of the questions).


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[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

It may be because I’ve had a long day already, but do you have Triple shots installed in the guitar or not (I think yes, but not sure given some of the questions).


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Yep, I do, but the goal is to get rid of them and to preserve as many of the options that I want as possible using 4 push pulls.

 

[VinceT]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Got it. I have TSs in both my 335 and Les Paul the latter had both OOP and Series/Parallel blend as well on push/pull pots.

It was my do it all Les Paul.

I ended up ditching the Series/Parallel blend (didn’t use it, because I mostly kept the humbuckers individually in Series, and the blend was too thick). I permanently wired the OOP because I’d learned to use the volumes in that position while using it to vary tone.

So, bottom line, you should be able to achieve what you want combining these diagrams - just be aware it might give you more options than you’ll eventually like!

All that said, the switching options on my MusicMan Reflex are pretty close to what you’re looking for (without OOP) and that is an amazing tone machine - it’s my main squeeze because it can do so many things so well.


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[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

I might ditch the OOP toggle in favor of being able to split the inner coils individually. The second coil toggle would still interact with both, but at least I could still do single coil and humbucker in series. After beaubrummels recommendation I think I may need to give that another try, and its definitely correct to say I'd never use OOP, I've heard samples and don't really like the tone, I just didn't want a push pull to go to waste.

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Okay, here's my attempt at the schematic I want. Pickup conductors are color coded and thicker than the rest, ground connections are in black, regular wiring in purple. Makes it a little easier to see what's going on.

Also, if it wasn't obvious, I'm showing the white wire from the pickup as blue, since the background is white.





Bridge Volume:
Splits bridge to Slug Coil
When neck tone is pulled too, wired parallel

Neck Volume:
Splits neck to slug coil
When neck tone is pulled too, wired parallel

Neck Tone:
If the volume switch is pushed, splits that pickup to screw coil
If the volume switch is pulled, pickup is wired parallel
This logic applies to both pickups at once, so if one is pulled and the other isn't, the first will be parallel and the second will be screw coil

Bridge tone:
Wires the pickups in series - SHOULD work no matter what configuration each pickup is in, but this is the only part I don't yet fully understand.


So the total options in this configuration are:

On each individual pickup:
- screw coil
- slug coil
- series HB
- parallal HB

In middle position:

- humbuckers in series or parallel
- screw coils in series or parallel
- slug coils in series or parallel
- parallel HBs in series or parallel
- screw bridge / parallel neck in series or parallel
- screw neck / parallel bridge in series or parallel
- slug bridge / series neck in series or parallel
- slug neck / series bridge in series or parallel

24 total options, none of them out of phase!

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Anybody who is better than me at this, do you think this wiring will work?

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Can anyone comment on this schematic, and any issues it might have?

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Correction, the individual splits, I think, would split to the screw coil, right? Black and red go to hot, green to ground, and white is just by itself. Does white need to go anywhere there for a screw coil split?

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

My opinion is to forget about all of the p/p switches and keep the Triple Shots. You'll have more reliability and way more ease of use. Do you really think you can keep all of the potential combinations in mind for instant recall? And if so, do you really think that you can make two or three or four p/p changes on the fly, mid-song?!!

In the heat of the moment, you're bound to push or pull the wrong pot and get a drastic unwanted tone.

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

My issue with the triple shots is that:
1. They don't fit properly on my guitar (too long, so they bow up in the middle)
2. The switches don't seem too rugged (one of them has already lost its rigidity and feels way too easy to slide)
3. They don't give me series options for bridge and neck. And I'd rather have all p/p controls instead of some p/p and some TS.

I'm designing the wiring myself, and I've been staring at the Damn thing so long that I already have the options in my head, and I generally wouldn't mess with either triple shots or push pulls mid-song.

EDIT: I have a Gibson PCB currently in an LP Studio, and am very intent on rewiring it all myself anyway, so I figure I may as well do this too. I don't have P-Rails, so triple shots are overkill for me, and I'd rather just have the options I'd use. They were always a temporary thing, so I could audition the sounds I like and those I can do without. Now I know, so I'm designing a schematic to match

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Beaubrummels, you were right about split + HB in the middle position. I was trying it with the slug coils, because those are my favorite by themselves, but once I started mixing the screw coils with humbuckers the sound was much better in middle position.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

My issue with the triple shots is that:
1. They don't fit properly on my guitar (too long, so they bow up in the middle)
2. The switches don't seem too rugged (one of them has already lost its rigidity and feels way too easy to slide)
3. They don't give me series options for bridge and neck. And I'd rather have all p/p controls instead of some p/p and some TS.

I'm designing the wiring myself, and I've been staring at the Damn thing so long that I already have the options in my head, and I generally wouldn't mess with either triple shots or push pulls mid-song.

EDIT: I have a Gibson PCB currently in an LP Studio, and am very intent on rewiring it all myself anyway, so I figure I may as well do this too. I don't have P-Rails, so triple shots are overkill for me, and I'd rather just have the options I'd use. They were always a temporary thing, so I could audition the sounds I like and those I can do without. Now I know, so I'm designing a schematic to match

1) Sounds like you're using the wrong Triple Shots. They're not too long, you should just have the ones for flat top guitars not arch top.
2) That's not necessarily a bad thing.
3a) You will need another dpdt switch to get series/parallel between pups in any wiring scheme with any type of other switches. That can be either a p/p pot or a micro toggle switch.
3b) That's just silly reasoning. But to each his own.

 

[SunIsLoco]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

I have a carved top guitar, and carved top triple shots. Flat top ones won't fit (I actually bought flat top ones by mistake at first, they fit worse). And yeah, I'm aware I need another switch, this whole thread was about combining that with TS style splitting in my schematic.

As for the second point, I've already accidentally brushed this switch with my hand while playing, so the looseness is an issue for me.

And on the third, its not silly to me. I have way more options than I need on the triple shots, and I know I need a push pull for series either way. I'm able to get every single option I'd actually use into the other 3, so I'd rather have consistency in how my controls work than a bunch of unused tonal options on my pickup ring while series switching is on a solitary push pull.

 

[markinoz]

Re: Triple Shot style Push-Pull wiring with series/parallel?

Hi,

I m building a PRS style guitar with one tone and one volume knob

I have push pull pots for both

I have PRails with triple shots and need a wiring diagram so I can incorporate the triple shots with the push pull pots

Has anyone got one?

I have the diagrams above but arent sure which parts of the wiring I would need to remove

Any help would be appreciated as Im not super savvy with wiring push pull pots to get the most combinations out of it...