Trust your ears...amp story (long)

Young Angus

Kometose Tonologist
Probably about two years ago now I bought my ENGL Savage 120, and only now have I finally got it working properly...so I thought I might share with everyone on this fantastic forum just why it took so long.

When I bought the amp second hand through the trading post, the seller and I took it to a music shop just so we could use some of their cabs to test it (because the seller no longer had a cab). It sounded absolutely fantastic through the cabs, all four of it's channels (even its rough and smooth modes for those ENGL fans out there) and it sounded like the dream amp I'd hoped it would. So for the amazing price he was selling it for I bought it without hesitation. I didn't have a cab yet though so I started shopping around for some...first stop, Allans music in Kew to try it through a Peave 5150 cab (and also compare to the 5150 Mk2 that was sitting there just for kicks), and as expected the ENGL blew the 5150 away and all of it sounded magnificent once again (I was using a voodoo les paul to test it). I really couldn't believe how good the ENGL sounded and how lucky I was. So I started thinking that I wanted a 5150 cab because I hadn't looked into many others and as far as I could tell it sounded pretty darn good!

I started looking for cheaper cabs though because I didn't have that much money, and came across a Marshall 1960A in the post and took my amp to the sellers house to try it out...but it didn't sound very good so I knocked it back. I thought it was just the Marshall cab making it sound crap. I ended up saving up and buying a matching ENGL slant vintage 30 loaded cab which took ages to get in but I was pretty pleased when it came...but something wasn't right when I plugged in the amp...it just didn't sound like I thought it should have, it did however have old tubes in it and I hadn't changed them since buying the amp second hand, so I put that next on my list.

After much research I decided on a shipment of JJ's from Bob at Eurotubes (great man to deal with, great tubes, and even better prices...cheers Bob!) and when they got here I took the amp to the man who still in a lot of peoples eyes remains the most well respected amp guru here in Australia. I told him that I thought something didn't sound quite right with the amp and that I was fairly sure something was wrong and it didn't sound anywhere near as good as it used to, but that the tubes were also old so maybe putting new tubes would help...so I gave him the amp and new tubes and paid him to check it out and bias the new valves in. He put the new tubes in, but much to my dismay when I picked up the amp he said that nothing was wrong with the amp and it was just the way that amp sounded, that perhaps my perception had changed since I first tried it out (because probably six months at least had passed since then), plus I thought to myself that maybe it was the Les Paul Voodoo with its high output pickups that gave it that sound I was loving (but at the time forgot that the seller had demonstrated the amp to me in the store when I was buying it in the first place with a stock fender strat). So being the guru that this amp tech was I didn't dispute him, and just hoped that the new tubes would make a difference...so I paid him and left. Got home, plugged it in, and still although noticing a slight improvement I did not think it sounded much better, but this tech had told me that nothing was wrong with it...so I took his word for it.
 
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Over the next year and a half I got into my band and after setting up the ENGL with a good delay unit and a bit of a boost I got a sound which I got used to and started sounding really good (my playing was also improving a lot all the time so that probably helped). So the band members were happy with my sound and so were most people that heard us play who knew anything about guitars...but still in my gut I knew that something wasn't right! Also over the past few months I'd noticed that its tone was beginning to sound pretty ordinary to me and also the EQ had ceased working for the lead channel I was using...so I thought something must definitely not be right with it!

So I started questioning it again and after posting a few things up on forums, Derek from the HC forums got back to me and said that he thought a full compliment of JJ's would make a Savage sound much too dark, so I started thinking that maybe I should put it back to 6550's (rather than the KT88's that I'd put in there)...so I started looking around for another amp guy to do this for me because that other one (with the big reputation) had closed up shop to pursue other avenues. I found a gentleman through some other contacts who was said to be great, so I took it down to see him not but two weeks ago. I told him that I had concerns that the amp just wasn't performing like I thought it should have been and thought it may be due to the valves that were in it, and then mentioned that the EQ wasn't working just as a side note...when he heard this though he said that it would be more important to check out the EQ thing before changing valves over, so as soon as I could I got my amp down to him to get it checked out yet again, of course I was also expecting him to just say that it was the way the amp sounded and I probably just needed something different.

Well, he didn't say this at all! In short, he said that the amp was in a very bad way and had probably been so for some time. In long, he said that there were a few resistors totally burnt out, and then he asked me if anyone else had worked on the amp...and I told him about the guru who biased the new tubes up and "supposedly" checked it over a couple of years ago...he then told me that the bias was set to ALMOST SHUTOFF!!! Something like 2mA instead of up around 35mA!!! (disclaimer : I'm not a tech, so appologies if mA is the wrong measure there) On one hand this was music to my ears because it confirmed my long time suspisions that the amp was not at its full potential. On the other hand I was pretty jacked off because the guy who I paid and trusted two years ago not only had me believing that there was nothing wrong with the amp, but also most probably just dropped the new valves into it without touching the bias and then just said he did and charged me for it! I'm not sure if bias adjustments can move that much over time, but what I do know is that for the past two years that amp has sounded the same since I got it back from that first guy, so whatever he did or didn't do, it stayed that way since and didn't change much if at all. Overall though of course I was pretty happy to hear all this because it confirmed that I wasn't crazy, and that my ENGL would soon be up and running the way it should have always been!

So the morale of this story seems to be that if you think something is wrong with your gear, it probably is! Like Luke Skywalker...trust your feelings...and if someone tells you otherwise, it can't hurt to get a second opinion. In my case, not getting a second opinion cost me two years of sub-standard tone...DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!

YA
 
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Most importantly, I'm glad you have the amp sounding right! Biasing makes a HUGE difference, learning how to bias myself was invaluable and I have the folks here to thank for that :)
 
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On one hand it's a pain to think that you went through all that and trusted a guy who gave you an incorrect opinion. But on the other, at least you learned something and now you should have your amp the way it was meant to be. How is it now?
 
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Well the EQ was still playing up but after replacing the burn out parts and biasing it correctly it now sounds like an absolute GEM!!! Just like it was always meant to :D
 
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Who was the second amp tech that you bought it to? Please PM me the first techs name if you can so I don't find myself in the same boat as you.
 
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Glad that everything worked out!

Do we have here a bias tutorial in the vault? Some of you guys could explain it way better than many folks out there on the internet imho.

How much did you pay for the bias adjustment? I have to pay around 32$ here in Germany.
 
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damn man, that sucks what happened, but look on the bright side, its like getting a brand new amp all over again!!! and it sounds KICK ASS!!! so HURRAYY!!! for you!!. (you gotta love auto-biasing amps though)

btw, that story was very well written, and flowed very nicely, very interesting really!!
 
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Well the EQ was still playing up but after replacing the burn out parts and biasing it correctly it now sounds like an absolute GEM!!! Just like it was always meant to :D

Why would the EQ still be acting up, after taking it to the second guy? It's probably just oxidized, and needs some contact cleaner sprayed into the pots and sliders. It's cool that it's back up to spec though.
Do you still have that Komet 60?
 
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Who was the second amp tech that you bought it to? Please PM me the first techs name if you can so I don't find myself in the same boat as you.

The second amp tech I took it to was a gentleman named Simon Tregear...and hopefully he doesn't mind being divulged over the internet but I'm doing so in a positive reference because he really is an amp saint!

The first guy who's name I won't mention publically has closed up his amp fixing shop so no one has anything to worry about, but from other peoples similar experiences with him I'd say that he didn't care about the little people and only cared about the big names that used to get their amps done by him.
 
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Glad that everything worked out!

Do we have here a bias tutorial in the vault? Some of you guys could explain it way better than many folks out there on the internet imho.

How much did you pay for the bias adjustment? I have to pay around 32$ here in Germany.

At the time I think I paid around $80 AUS for the non-existant bias adjustment...hooray!
 
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damn man, that sucks what happened, but look on the bright side, its like getting a brand new amp all over again!!! and it sounds KICK ASS!!! so HURRAYY!!! for you!!. (you gotta love auto-biasing amps though)

btw, that story was very well written, and flowed very nicely, very interesting really!!


Yeah that's exactly what it feels like, it feels like a new amp!!! (cheers about the story too ;) )
 
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Why would the EQ still be acting up, after taking it to the second guy? It's probably just oxidized, and needs some contact cleaner sprayed into the pots and sliders. It's cool that it's back up to spec though.
Do you still have that Komet 60?

There is actually a knob on the amp (hi balance) which is designed to only operate in smooth mode...but something seems to be wired up incorrectly because the whole EQ on the lead channel is following that hi-balance control and being exclusive to smooth mode...and as it happens (because it sounds heaps better) I use rough mode, not smooth mode, so I'm without an EQ till it gets fixed up and I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be like that. Time will tell.

Yep I still have the Komet 60 too, I'm actually on an amp fixing binge at the moment and I just got the Komet back and finally got new valves put into it because I never had that done since getting it...and it sounds awesome now!!! I want to start a band just so I can exclusively use the Komet...everyone will probably still complain about it being too loud though :D

But yeah I've still got it, and for the first time now with the new valves it's starting to really impress me!
 
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Nice story Angus.Engl's are really gems ,strong working horses and nice tone machines.
I wish you inspiration and some ear plugs!!!heheheh
 
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The second amp tech I took it to was a gentleman named Simon Tregear...and hopefully he doesn't mind being divulged over the internet but I'm doing so in a positive reference because he really is an amp saint![

Not sure if I've heard of him before. I think we're blessed with quite a few amp gurus here in Melbourne. Another amp guy that I've been recommended is Tim Evans. He was the local warranty repairer for Fender and Peavey for 20 years and has designed amps for Lab systems.
http://guitaramps.com.au/index.html

You probably already know but the Aussie Gear Heads forum is the ULTIMATE resource for any Australian guitarist with gas:
http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/
 
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Not sure if I've heard of him before. I think we're blessed with quite a few amp gurus here in Melbourne. Another amp guy that I've been recommended is Tim Evans. He was the local warranty repairer for Fender and Peavey for 20 years and has designed amps for Lab systems.
http://guitaramps.com.au/index.html

You probably already know but the Aussie Gear Heads forum is the ULTIMATE resource for any Australian guitarist with gas:
http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/

I didn't know about that forum but I did know about Tim...he's actually the guy who just retubed one of my other amps and also seems to know what he's doing and be a nice guy to boot! Cheers!!
 
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Wow, moral to that story is not only to find a trusted tech, but learn how to rebias your amp. Glad its singing now!
 
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