Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
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Bob Zombie
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
Ive gone through lots of amps but my Marshall MF-350 is my favorite. Its got all I ever need as far as distortion goes and its not half bad clean either. But if you are a pedal junkie I would use a Marshall plexi stack or a Fender Bassman, theres no point in owning an amp with every distortion under the sun if your just gonna plug your DS-1 in and be happy lol. Joe Satrianti's Peavy head I heard was pretty good too.
Ive gone through lots of amps but my Marshall MF-350 is my favorite. Its got all I ever need as far as distortion goes and its not half bad clean either. But if you are a pedal junkie I would use a Marshall plexi stack or a Fender Bassman, theres no point in owning an amp with every distortion under the sun if your just gonna plug your DS-1 in and be happy lol. Joe Satrianti's Peavy head I heard was pretty good too.
Bob Zombie
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
Then I'd go with the MF-350. It works for blues to rock to old school metal. I dont really play a lot of neo-metal or industrial metal so if I do i just use my overdrive pedal in front of the gain on the amp to get more of a Zakk Wylde kind of sound. It really depends what sound you like. But the MF-350 can do just about anything well.
Then I'd go with the MF-350. It works for blues to rock to old school metal. I dont really play a lot of neo-metal or industrial metal so if I do i just use my overdrive pedal in front of the gain on the amp to get more of a Zakk Wylde kind of sound. It really depends what sound you like. But the MF-350 can do just about anything well.
Benjy_26
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
The MF-350 sounds alright, but it's not necessarily a tube amp. As far as tube amps go, my faves are the BF Bassman, the 50 watt Marshall 1987 RI, the Rivera Knucklehead, and the Mesa Single Rectifier/Rect-o-verb model.
right now I'm getting killer clean, OD and all out Distortion tones from my Bassman head and a Mesa/Boogie V-Twin.
The MF-350 sounds alright, but it's not necessarily a tube amp. As far as tube amps go, my faves are the BF Bassman, the 50 watt Marshall 1987 RI, the Rivera Knucklehead, and the Mesa Single Rectifier/Rect-o-verb model.
right now I'm getting killer clean, OD and all out Distortion tones from my Bassman head and a Mesa/Boogie V-Twin.
papersoul
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
I used the Fender cleans, the Line 6 Agro (thick mids and smooth) for lead, and I tended to use the Diezel Herbert a lot for high gain mixed wirth the Line 6 Big Bottom and JCM 900 at times for some patches. I also had some patches based on the Marshall Jubilelee and Line 6 Purge. Also combined the Agro and Diezel Herbert for some other tines. Finally, the JCM 900 and Line 6 Throttle was a good crunch tone. Confused? :smack:
FretFire said:
I used the Fender cleans, the Line 6 Agro (thick mids and smooth) for lead, and I tended to use the Diezel Herbert a lot for high gain mixed wirth the Line 6 Big Bottom and JCM 900 at times for some patches. I also had some patches based on the Marshall Jubilelee and Line 6 Purge. Also combined the Agro and Diezel Herbert for some other tines. Finally, the JCM 900 and Line 6 Throttle was a good crunch tone. Confused? :smack:
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
First of all, I would advise against a hybrid amp. Stick with all-tube; you'll just be happier in the long run.
Okay, why Rivera Knucklehead? To answer your own questions:
GOOD TONE. Riveras are the epitome of great tone. Are you going to be using the head for gigs? If so, I would recommend a 100W Knucklehead. You can always pull out the 2 outer tubes and cut it down to 50W if you need to. I've tried both ways, and have clips posted of the head in both configurations, but I will get a little further into it later.
Of course, the question is -- what is great tone? Well, if you like tube warmth, but without mushiness, taught bass without sterility, and a brilliant top end without brittleness, then look no further.
The Knucklehead also has harmonic complexity out the wazoo.
CONVENIENT SET UP. Once again, the Rivera wins out. Enough controls to give you the tone you want, but without getting crazy.
VARIETY. It's all there, from SRV to Judas Priest. If you cut the 100W head down to 50W, you will get a darker, more modern tone, not unlike an Engl or Mesa. Running at the full 100W, it goes more into Marshall territory, but with SICK amounts of gain on tap, should you desire it.
If you have any other questions about Rivera, just drop me a line.
Oh, one more thing about the channel voicings on the Knucklehead -- the clean channel is Fender blackface heaven, and the hi gain channel is very Marshall-esque. Just like the models you're using on your Vetta!
Rich, I previously posted Rivera Knucklehead, but that was a real cheesy post, so I'm going to elaborate on it now, and then delete that post.papersoul said:
First of all, I would advise against a hybrid amp. Stick with all-tube; you'll just be happier in the long run.
Okay, why Rivera Knucklehead? To answer your own questions:
GOOD TONE. Riveras are the epitome of great tone. Are you going to be using the head for gigs? If so, I would recommend a 100W Knucklehead. You can always pull out the 2 outer tubes and cut it down to 50W if you need to. I've tried both ways, and have clips posted of the head in both configurations, but I will get a little further into it later.
Of course, the question is -- what is great tone? Well, if you like tube warmth, but without mushiness, taught bass without sterility, and a brilliant top end without brittleness, then look no further.
The Knucklehead also has harmonic complexity out the wazoo.
CONVENIENT SET UP. Once again, the Rivera wins out. Enough controls to give you the tone you want, but without getting crazy.
VARIETY. It's all there, from SRV to Judas Priest. If you cut the 100W head down to 50W, you will get a darker, more modern tone, not unlike an Engl or Mesa. Running at the full 100W, it goes more into Marshall territory, but with SICK amounts of gain on tap, should you desire it.
If you have any other questions about Rivera, just drop me a line.
Oh, one more thing about the channel voicings on the Knucklehead -- the clean channel is Fender blackface heaven, and the hi gain channel is very Marshall-esque. Just like the models you're using on your Vetta!
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papersoul
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
The Knucklehead sounds great! Cheaper than going Bogner or Diezel? Could I just upgrade my Line 6 Vetta cabinet with Vintage 30s? Is it too loud for rehearsal and finally, how many channels?
I have heard that Rivera has other models out now that are better for modern tones? Knucklehead II?
Rich
The Knucklehead sounds great! Cheaper than going Bogner or Diezel? Could I just upgrade my Line 6 Vetta cabinet with Vintage 30s? Is it too loud for rehearsal and finally, how many channels?
I have heard that Rivera has other models out now that are better for modern tones? Knucklehead II?
Rich
FretFire
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
The Vetta was only 200w because SS amps need tons of headroom to keep from distorting the signal. They are friggin' loud though.
Most people seem to agree that a 50 watt tube amp is very gig-worthy, if you need to be terribly loud for a huge show you'll probably be micing up anyways.
The Vetta was only 200w because SS amps need tons of headroom to keep from distorting the signal. They are friggin' loud though.
Most people seem to agree that a 50 watt tube amp is very gig-worthy, if you need to be terribly loud for a huge show you'll probably be micing up anyways.
papersoul
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
Thanks guys, the Vetta is 300 watts bt I never had to use it to its max at gigs becaus eit had plenty to spare and all I needed. I still may stick with it as I love the tones i get but am running into too many issues with downloading software upgrades, backing up patches, etc. Maybe I am being stupid giving up something that has treated me so well in every other way.
I hear VHT Pitbulls are supposed to be terrific.
Thanks guys, the Vetta is 300 watts bt I never had to use it to its max at gigs becaus eit had plenty to spare and all I needed. I still may stick with it as I love the tones i get but am running into too many issues with downloading software upgrades, backing up patches, etc. Maybe I am being stupid giving up something that has treated me so well in every other way.
I hear VHT Pitbulls are supposed to be terrific.
That90'sGuy
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
Here's the perfect amp for you: Hughes & Kettner Triamp. Before you consider others, bear in mind that if you need versatility, this one has more than just about any other amp I've ever seen. Not many amps have 3 completely different preamps built in and 6 channels that are all useful. It has Fender, Vox, various Marshalls, and VHT/Bogner/Diezel type articulate high gain.
The only tube amp I've seen with more channels is the Zinky Superfly which is a midi programmable tube amp that can store up to (I believe something like) 32 different channels.
Either one of these bad boys will give you all the tones your modeling amp had, just with all tube tone. 13 tubes makes it all happen with no sacrifice. The only thing that didn't fly with me was how loud it was, but the new ones can be brought down to 50w (from the usual 100w).
If they ever come out with a lower powered one, I will sell whatever boutique amp I have now and buy one on the spot. I have no reason to talk up this amp because I sold mine a while ago.
The best part about these amps is that for a little more than your average tube Marshall, you can snatch one of these up. If you can find these used, you get every cent out of it.
Here's the perfect amp for you: Hughes & Kettner Triamp. Before you consider others, bear in mind that if you need versatility, this one has more than just about any other amp I've ever seen. Not many amps have 3 completely different preamps built in and 6 channels that are all useful. It has Fender, Vox, various Marshalls, and VHT/Bogner/Diezel type articulate high gain.
The only tube amp I've seen with more channels is the Zinky Superfly which is a midi programmable tube amp that can store up to (I believe something like) 32 different channels.
Either one of these bad boys will give you all the tones your modeling amp had, just with all tube tone. 13 tubes makes it all happen with no sacrifice. The only thing that didn't fly with me was how loud it was, but the new ones can be brought down to 50w (from the usual 100w).
If they ever come out with a lower powered one, I will sell whatever boutique amp I have now and buy one on the spot. I have no reason to talk up this amp because I sold mine a while ago.
The best part about these amps is that for a little more than your average tube Marshall, you can snatch one of these up. If you can find these used, you get every cent out of it.
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muttonchopsrule
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
do you happen to have these clips posted? hearing about this amp is making my curiousity level go through the roof!
TwilightOdyssey said:
do you happen to have these clips posted? hearing about this amp is making my curiousity level go through the roof!
aleclee
Major General GAS
Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
It is a super versatile amp and used ones are quite reasonable. I would have bought one myself but its lead channels were a bit more Recto-like than I prefer (I'm more into Soldano's take on high gain).
Great suggestion!the_Chris said:
It is a super versatile amp and used ones are quite reasonable. I would have bought one myself but its lead channels were a bit more Recto-like than I prefer (I'm more into Soldano's take on high gain).
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
That's where you'll hear the 50W clips.
The 100W full stack clips are on the songs at www.twilight-odyssey.com.
http://twilightsongs2.tripod.com/muttonchopsrule said:
That's where you'll hear the 50W clips.
The 100W full stack clips are on the songs at www.twilight-odyssey.com.
Gearjoneser
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Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
My answer for great tone and versatility was a Bogner Ecstasy, but it's hard to suggest such an expensive amp. After owning most good amps, I just finally broke down and sold several, added some money and went after my dream amp, and am glad I did. Before you get the idea that a good tube head will replace the Vetta, you may want to consider putting together a rackmount setup. Some people get carried away and end up with a backbreaking monster setup, but it's totally unnessessary.
If you just had a really good preamp like a VHT, Triaxis, ENGL, JMP-1, or Soldano, and midimapped it with a multiFX unit straight into a Mesa or VHT power amp, you could fit it all into an 8 space rack with a Furman power supply. Obviously, this would allow you to have an unlimited number of tonal options, AND still have an all tube rig.
Knowing how you get picky about tone, this would be a much better option than trying to find the two channel amp of your dreams.
My answer for great tone and versatility was a Bogner Ecstasy, but it's hard to suggest such an expensive amp. After owning most good amps, I just finally broke down and sold several, added some money and went after my dream amp, and am glad I did. Before you get the idea that a good tube head will replace the Vetta, you may want to consider putting together a rackmount setup. Some people get carried away and end up with a backbreaking monster setup, but it's totally unnessessary.
If you just had a really good preamp like a VHT, Triaxis, ENGL, JMP-1, or Soldano, and midimapped it with a multiFX unit straight into a Mesa or VHT power amp, you could fit it all into an 8 space rack with a Furman power supply. Obviously, this would allow you to have an unlimited number of tonal options, AND still have an all tube rig.
Knowing how you get picky about tone, this would be a much better option than trying to find the two channel amp of your dreams.
Re: Tube amp to replace my Line 6 Vetta???
A) 350 watts is too much for anyone.
B) It does not work for any of the genres you described.
I have about 3 hours on an MF350 and in the time I spent with it, I got one decent tone on the 3rd channel. And it was a nice rock sound however still had some things lacking.
C)
sorry to rain on the parade but yeah MF's just dont cut it for me, or anyone else that i have spoken to.
Bob Zombie said:
A) 350 watts is too much for anyone.
B) It does not work for any of the genres you described.
I have about 3 hours on an MF350 and in the time I spent with it, I got one decent tone on the 3rd channel. And it was a nice rock sound however still had some things lacking.
C)
hahahahahahaha. no.
sorry to rain on the parade but yeah MF's just dont cut it for me, or anyone else that i have spoken to.
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