tubes breaking up sound

[walters]

I'm trying to understand how do u get that breaking up sound? is it the bias that sets the tubes breaking up?

Its sounds like when u cut slits or holes in the speaker im trying to get that sound but from tubes breaking up

What does it mean to u guys when tubes are breaking up alot and what sets these points please in general?

 

[marvar]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

you generally have to push tubes pretty hard to get breakup, the exception being amps in the class A range, they break up early, class A.B usually has to be pushed hard to get OD. You might try power tubes with a lower hardness factor, but some of it is also speaker breakup (Greenbacks for example) it's a combination of alot of things and the and the preamp circuits in your amp.

 

[walters]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

I have rola speakers in my fender twin cab i guess they have a different breakup sound they greenback

Is there a way to make the tubes break up causing that breaking up crankling breaking up sound with out overdrive

When u cut slits or holes in a speakers its a breaking up sound its different than Overdrive sound u know what im mean?

My friend told me to use different brands and mis-match tubes causes more breakup but why is that?

Using different brands and mis-match tubes will cause breakingup?

 

[Mephis]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

Do Not mis-match tubes!

Just turn your amp up until it breaks up.

 

[walters]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

When i turn my amp up it just overdrives and distorts its not really breaking up alot i want to focus on how to break it up more its different than overdriving it

 

[baritone]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

An attenuator can help with that. There is a difference between preamp tube gain, power tube disortion, and speaker breakup. Gain, distortion, breakup, fuzz, drive, etc. can be used interchangeably in this case, but the source provides a different variety with its own voice. Power tube distortion frequently requires the amp to either be uncomfortably loud or can be done more easily with an attenuator.

 

[Rich_S]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

If you're looking for breakup or overdrive or sag from a Fender Twin, you're starting with the wrong amp.

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

I'm trying to understand how do u get that breaking up sound? is it the bias that sets the tubes breaking up?

Its sounds like when u cut slits or holes in the speaker im trying to get that sound but from tubes breaking up

What does it mean to u guys when tubes are breaking up alot and what sets these points please in general?

Tubes break up when one tube decides to be a troll and ask nonsensical questions on the Seymour Duncan Forum and the other tube kicks the first tube's ass to the curb because the first tube isn't interested in real answers.

I have rola speakers in my fender twin cab i guess they have a different breakup sound they greenback

Try sentence structure for trolls software. Oh and by the way when you say greenbacks in a twin everyone thinks you're a dumbass.

Luke

 

[CapoFirstFret]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

Woah, just a bit harsh aren't ya there luke? Just cause I guy doesn't have the best grammar in the world? English may not even be his first language. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's seemed just a bit rough

 

[Luke Duke]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

Woah, just a bit harsh aren't ya there luke? Just cause I guy doesn't have the best grammar in the world? English may not even be his first language. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's seemed just a bit rough

He's a troll man, and I'm sick of him. He offers nothing to this forum, and I plan on making a funny, yet harsh comment in every one of his threads till I get banned or he does.

Luke

 

[jeremy]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

oyi! the craziness!!

the reason a tube amp "breaks up" is the tubes are reaching their saturation point and overdriving. there is no way to get tubes to "break up" without overdriving them.

mismatching tubes wont do a thing except maybe hold your amp back from sounding its best and shorten the life of the tubes

the bias point of a tube will help determine at what point it starts to overdrive

you are using the term "break up" to describe a tone that comes from a speaker being pushed too hard, speaker distortion. it has nothing to do with tubes.

rola is a brand of speakers, not a specific speaker like a greenback which is a celestion g12m.

if you want the sound of speakers with holes in them, then cut holes in your speakers and you will get a ratty tone

if you are using a twin and want a "breaking up" tone use low wattage, ineffiecent speakers like a jensen p12r and turn the amp up till it makes the speaker distort.

BE WARNED THIS IS BAD FOR THE SPEAKER AND MAY BLOW THEM UP SO DONT BLAME ME WHEN YOU TOAST YOUR NEW SPEAKERS

but thats the only way to get that sound. some people love it and think it is tonal nirvana but the reason the amp sounds like that is the speakers are being pushed to their limits

do yourself a favor and go buy Gerald Webers books, there are three and they will answer almost every tube amp question that you will have in plenty of depth so you will gain a real understanding of how these things work.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

Tubes break up when one tube decides to be a troll and ask nonsensical questions on the Seymour Duncan Forum and the other tube kicks the first tube's ass to the curb because the first tube isn't interested in real answers.

:laughing: :biglaugh:

 

[rog951]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

Woah, just a bit harsh aren't ya there luke? Just cause I guy doesn't have the best grammar in the world? English may not even be his first language. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's seemed just a bit rough

Sorry to say but you are missing something. Walters is a troll on about twenty different forums. He enjoys wasting others' time.

 

[Rich_S]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

NOW you tell me. Sag discussion over.

 

[walters]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

I'm not a troll

I guess im talking more about speaker distortion break up

What is the theory behind getting different break up sounds from speakers?

I new to this speaker breaking up theory

 

[baritone]

Re: tubes breaking up sound

What does "troll" mean?