Tweedle Dee 5F1 Champ and Tweedle Dee Champion 600 Reissue

[bluesky636]

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[jeremy]

nice! i think ive mentioned this before, but i have a 5f2, so same amp with a tone control, and mine has a 10" speaker. such a fun amp to play!

 

[jeremy]

i like the tone control. i almost never run it full up, usually around 9/12. ill have to pull the back off mine and see how different the circuit is. thanks for sharing that

 

[beaubrummels]

I have a Fender Champion 600 Reissue and I've always just loved it as it is. What does the 5F1 mod do to it tone-wise? And what does the 'Dee' mod do beyond that tone-wise?

 

[beaubrummels]

The 600 Reissue circuit is the same as the 60's Blackface Champ but with a fixed tone stack. It is nothing like the 50's 5F1 Champ in circuit design or sound. The Tweedle Dee mod tightens up the bass and provides a smoother transition from clean to overdrive with less raspiness in the overdrive.

Ok, then what are the differences tone-wise between the 60's Blackface Champ with a fixed tone stack/600 Reissue and the 5F1? How does the 600 sound/respond differently to the 5F1?

 

[Mincer]

Having never used a Champ clone....how loud do they get?

 

[jeremy]

a lot of it depends on the speaker. i have a 10" alnico weber in mine, its loud for a 4w amp, but not gigable without micing it

 

[jeremy]

oh its not quiet, but its not loud enough to get over a drummer without some help

 

[beaubrummels]

A Blackface Champ (all Blackface Fender amps actually) are very mid-scooped. A Tweed amp is more mid-focused. A 5F1 Champ is actually pretty flat in it's frequency response from bass to treble.

I suggest you search YouTube for videos of the 5F1 and Champion 600 Reissue. There are plenty out there.

I wanted to hear someone's direct experience based on in-the-room experience, not hype click-bait videos that have been processed in unknown ways, but ok, thanks.

 

[Mincer]

Louder than you think a 5 watt amp could ever be.

YouTube is your friend.

I can't get any real-world volume comparisons on YouTube, friend.

 

[beaubrummels]

Point missed. But ok. The insults are unnecessary.

 

[justFred]

The Tweedle Dee mod was intended for the 5E3 Deluxe. In that amp it makes sense. IMO what you did to the 5F1 was a 30% Tweedle Dee mod that makes very little difference. But if you hear it and like what you did, great, enjoy the sound.

 

[jeremy]

i know the 5e3 tweedle dee mods, a buddy has built one of them. its a fun amp for sure! i have a 5e3 clone that is basically stock, other than changing the .1 coupling caps to .047. i tried .022, but went back to .047 since it changed the character of the amp too much

 

[jeremy]

yeah, my buddy did the rob version. he has a great site

 

[Mincer]

See my response to beaubrummels, post #19.

If neither of you can understand the impact of two different circuit designs on the sound of an amp, there is nothing I can do to help you so I won't waste anymore of my time trying.

Cool.