Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

Re: Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

Where in Washington are you? I'm a Seattle-ite, now living in the Portland area.

I like the Mesa Mark III and Mark IV--these are pretty good all around amps for both live and studio. Mesa amps don't really REQUIRE a lot of tweaking, contrary to what many people think, but the power to radically alter pre-amp and power amp setting is very handy. I think they sound a lot better than the Dual/Triple Rectifiers.

If you dig tones from the Marshall side, the Splawns are pretty cool; at least the few I've heard. And you know, everyone disses Marshall lately, but they have made some pretty darn good amps over the years. Ditto for Peavey. If all you are doing is rock, a couple of pedals plugged into an old JCM 800 or a VTM 120 head and a really GOOD speaker cabinet are all you need. Hey, get a JSX head and a VOX Satchurator, and you can sound just like that bald guy--old what's-his-name!

If you don't really need a channel-switching amp and can get your lead tones from a pedal, that opens you up to all kinds of amp goodness--from JTM 45s, Plexis and JCM 800s to Showmans, ToneMasters and SUNN Model Ts.

I had a PV Rockmaster head in the early 90's, and once I got it hooked up with the right tubes into the RIGHT cab it was a MONSTER. Ran it clean, with a Real Tube 901 overdrive for dirt. I ran it hard for a number of years and it was bulletproof, with a solid and fat in-your-face-tone.

Have you considered running a two-amp set-up? Andy Timmons is another one of my favorite players. He uses a Mesa Lonestar, and a Stiletto Deuce, AND a bunch of pedals to get his tone. His live tone cops his recorded tones to a tee. The Lonestar has great clean and singing lead tones; the Deuce has that Marshall crunch and more. Running two amps can be a pain, but it can be a problem solver.

Channel switching pops. Yep, they sound horrible, but...they are probably not noticeable unless you are playing live at whisper quiet levels. In the studio, it's never an issue, because you never channel switch when recording--you punch in and overdub your lead part(s).

If you want Rivera, go see the guys at A Sharp Music Co. in Renton. They also carry Mesa.

If you are concerned about clumsy roadies, then you MUST do what the pros do--get a GOOD, PRO-QUALITY ATA flight case. And a back-up amp, ain't a bad idea, either. At the very least, invest in Tuki or D2F covers for your amp.

And I agree with everyone else, you have to hear them--with your guitar, your cables, your pedals, and preferably at the gig. I'm a firm believer that the acid test for an amp is on the bandstand; so I'd suggest buying from someone with a liberal return policy.

Good luck!

Bill
 
Re: Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

I'm gonna look into going to A Sharp Music and a place in Oregon when I have a day to fool off, drive around, and try out amps. Maybe I can get a second guitar player and a drummer to play along to get an idea if the amp will work in a band situation. Thanks for the help guys.

By the way, as for amps, I'm looking at the Rivera KR-100, Mesa Roadster, and any other high gainers they have available at these two stores. If I find nothing I 110% love, I'll keep looking.
 
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I'm not impressed with the Engl Powerball either, but the Fireball and the Fireball 100 are amazing amps.
 
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FWIW i had a Randall RM100 for about 5 years and i really liked it. I thought the modules sounded very close to what they were supposed to emulate. Its also nice that you can mod the preamp modules to really customize your sound. It was a solid amp and I got tones of compliments on my tone. And if you get sick of a tone just get a new module. I had the Blackface, XTC, Plexi, 1086, ultra, recto, modern. I like the Blackface, plexi, Ultra combo the best.

I sold the Randall RM100 last year and bought a Mesa Mark IV which i am also very happy with. The new mark V looks cool and may be worth looking into.
 
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Everyone else is right ... you MUST try the amps! How do you think people bought stuff before the Internet?

Just pick a day, put your two favorite guitars in the car, and go to as many music stores as you can. The only way to really learn if an amp works for you is to play through it. There's no point in narrowing it down before you go shopping. You run a big risk of ignoring a good amp that way.

I played through at least 20 different amps over the course of two weeks before deciding on the Mesa Stiletto Ace. It was well worth the effort.

This is a BIG investment for you. Treat it as such, and do the legwork necessary to get the amp you need.
 
Re: Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

Everyone else is right ... you MUST try the amps! How do you think people bought stuff before the Internet?

Just pick a day, put your two favorite guitars in the car, and go to as many music stores as you can. The only way to really learn if an amp works for you is to play through it. There's no point in narrowing it down before you go shopping. You run a big risk of ignoring a good amp that way.

I played through at least 20 different amps over the course of two weeks before deciding on the Mesa Stiletto Ace. It was well worth the effort.

This is a BIG investment for you. Treat it as such, and do the legwork necessary to get the amp you need.

I did something similar, I took one of my main gigging guitars and played EVERYTHING I could find that fit into my criteria and a couple just outside of it. I must have played 15 amps in a single afternoon. I finally decided on the Marshall 6100 Anniversary series. I've been very happy with it.
 
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Other than eliminating amps that may not stand up to what I need, people brought to my attention a bunch of amps I hadn't considered yet.
 
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just a thought from someone else with very limited local availability to test out good amps. If you´re going to spend a decent amount on an amp, would it be worth a single trip for a couple of days to somewhere there´s lots of stores and can try out different amps for yourself?

Good luck with the search.
 
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I agree with those that say playing time beats internet research every time.

That said, some dudes over at the Gear Page put about 30 high gain amps through their paces. Here's the soundclick page of their clips:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/def...ent=music&songcount=37&offset=0&currentPage=1

-the playing may get annoying at times and might not match your style or whatever, but that's a hell of a resource for getting an idea about the various flavours of high gain amps out there.

On to a suggestion: perhaps hunt down a s/h uberschall? -there are some bargains out there right now...
 
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Mesa Boogie Roadster - Pops when switching channels [so it makes the channels pointless in my view], and also some problems with the reverb according to people on HC...

the pop only happens once.. and that's when going to channel 3.. and it only happens the first time you switch to that channel (for every time you turn on the amp).. I usually switch to the 3rd channel immediately to get that outta the way almost every time I play

the reverb isn't so much as a problem but a choice by Mesa to choose one evil over the other.. the reverb takes just under a second to start sounding when switching from one channel to another.. this is an inconvenience.. but I guess I'd rather have that then a huge reverb spillover when going from one channel to another
 
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I agree with those that say playing time beats internet research every time.

That said, some dudes over at the Gear Page put about 30 high gain amps through their paces. Here's the soundclick page of their clips:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/def...ent=music&songcount=37&offset=0&currentPage=1

-the playing may get annoying at times and might not match your style or whatever, but that's a hell of a resource for getting an idea about the various flavours of high gain amps out there.

On to a suggestion: perhaps hunt down a s/h uberschall? -there are some bargains out there right now...

Thanx for the great link man !

Not my style of playing - way to fast for DOOM, and not EQ'ed like i would for Stoner, but still a great tool to hear the fundamentel diff's between the amps.
Strangley, so far, i perfer the warmth of the 5150 (still too compressed though), and the crunch of the Mesa Eletro Dyne.

EDIT : the Mark 5 sounds pretty good too.

James
 
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Re: Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

Everyone else is right ... you MUST try the amps! How do you think people bought stuff before the Internet?

Just pick a day, put your two favorite guitars in the car, and go to as many music stores as you can. The only way to really learn if an amp works for you is to play through it. There's no point in narrowing it down before you go shopping. You run a big risk of ignoring a good amp that way.

I played through at least 20 different amps over the course of two weeks before deciding on the Mesa Stiletto Ace. It was well worth the effort.

This is a BIG investment for you. Treat it as such, and do the legwork necessary to get the amp you need.


I agree 100%.... this is one of the most important purchases you´ll ever make, and if driving a bit extra and spending another 10-15 bucks on gas is a problem then you should heavily reconsider how important this purchase really is.

If you´re purchaseing a 2000 dollar amp, you just flat out HAVE to play it, and I highly recommend listening to the store flunkie´s recommendations as to what amps you may also like. Listening to a recommendation is the reason I no longer have a blinking refrigerator that doubles as Mission Control for NASA but now use a JCM 800 and couldn´t be happier.

Play as many as you can, until you find the right one. You´ll know it when you play the first chord ;)
 
Re: Unhappy with high gain amp choices...

I have played some of those heads, but not with the pickups and cabs I think I'm gonna get, so I will go back and replay most of the amps. I don't mind driving, etc., I'm just trying to get some ideas so I know where I am going and what I am trying out. I figure I can try out about 3 amps fully in 2 hours, putting it through it's paces, etc. If I am only kinda so-so with everything, then I'll ask the store flunkie.

And I know what you mean by that "you'll know with the first chord" thing. I think it could happen with an amp that isn't EQ'd and dialed in exactly right.

Another question: should I get an OD like a Tube Screamer to tighten up the tone? [I find the 'bass smuggling' of a TS style OD can tighten up the attack]
 
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And I know what you mean by that "you'll know with the first chord" thing. I think it could happen with an amp that isn't EQ'd and dialed in exactly right.

Another question: should I get an OD like a Tube Screamer to tighten up the tone? [I find the 'bass smuggling' of a TS style OD can tighten up the attack]

Do you mean while testing an amp ? (or after you bought an amp?)
Probably not, (i would not) unless you take your very fav dirt box with you, that you know you will use with any amp !
I always test an amp with nothing but my guitar (or something extremely simmilar).


James
 
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Rivera - I haven't really been able to find an online site that sells em, and doubt anyone local [in the state] sells them new in the box.

Your profile says that you're in "Washington". If you are in the state of WA, then you have one of the top Rivera dealers in the country in your state: A# Music Co. in Renton. Those guys are great (I've known them since about the time they originally opened in the early '90's) and they not only know Rivera amps, they now the Riveras themselves.

Check out the Rivera portion of A#'s site: Rivera amps at A#

A# also is a dealer for Mesa/Boogie, THD and Budda amps.
 
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I plan on going to A Sharp Music, a Guitar Center [or two if there is more then one alone the way], and possibly another shop. The four main amps I am looking at are

Rivera K-tre
Mesa Roadster
Peavey 6505+
Kustom Double Cross
And a Randall RM100 if I can find a place with one, but I dont plan on going out of my way to find one.

As for the Tubescreamer, I meant after I decided what amp I wanted. Especially with the Mesa and K tre which I hear are kinda bassy [which I predict that the Tubescreamer will help tighten up the bass a bit].
 
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I find that the thrill of the chase is a large part of the fun.

Gotta go out & play 'em.

Take your favorite guitar & pack up for a road trip... done it countless times...

Still do it that way.

Spend weeks... months... searching for the coolest amp for the application.

No "one" amp does it all.
 
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