Using Your Amp's (Natural) Distortion

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To be honest, I've acquired many classic gain pedals more as an experiment than for actual application.

I'm much more into amps, and using them for music... while pedals take a real back seat. Before you think I'm crazy.... I do use pedals. I've got so many that I don't use though, because I'm always about amps first.

Before getting into the finer points of gear, I spent all my time thinking of guitar/amp/pickup/boost, and I still use that formula. I think I fell into the trap of buying gizmos, as a gear junkie, but as a musician, I stick with the basics. The gear journey taught me a lot though. I learned which OD's sound best with which amps, and once I knew, I stuck with it.

Here's some formulas.

JCM 800 - MXR Classic OD, Boss OD's, Maxon. Anything Barber makes.

Fender Blackface - Tubescreamer, Green Rhino, Fullrone Fulldrive II.

Plexi - Marshall Gov'nor II, Cmatmods Brownie, Klon, Barber, and many others.

Tweeds - lots of them work, but the Way Huge Red Llama is a must have pedal for the Tweed lover. Actually, spend the money, and buy a new Camel Toe.

As a collector of dirt boxes, I'd recommend the Red Llama or Camel Toe to the guy who has every other OD classic. Thank me later.

But to answer this thread, I use amps for the most part. Bad Cat Cougar 50, Bogner XTC, Marshall Jubilee, JCM800, Orange, Matchless Chieftain, Gibson Goldtone, Fender Pro Reverb, Fender Vaporizer, Fender Excelsior.

I play with pedals, but usually depend on my amps to deliver the gain level I'm looking for.
 
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With the exception of jamming at friends' houses, I haven't used or even owned any od/distortion pedals in about 20 years.
 
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At a gig I just plug straight into my amp (occasionally some foot-switchable delay or reverb in the loop for leads), and that's it. All my amps have all the drive I need & I'm not a fan of OD or boost pedals. I do like all out heavy distortion pedals but only use them at home/for practice..if at all. I keep buying them but then after that mostly they're just sitting around in my cupboard gathering dust :laugh2:
 
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the real question is...how many use power amp distortion rather than preamp?

I like the power amp stuff better than preamp distortion (my Mesa doesn't have a master volume), but it isn't practical for most amps. Only lately (to my ears) do I hear dynamic preamp distortion that sounds and feels as good as power amp distortion. For many years, it was just a buzzy mess to me.
 
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It's where I'm at at the moment that attracts me to this thread.
My amp has or had an awesome Gain channel. I don't know if I out grew it over the years or it's hurt( I just had it serviced with new tubes and the Bias set) or I just got use to running a tube screamer in front of it and now I like that tone.
When I purchased my Krank Revolution 1 back in 2006 brand new, I could not believe the killer crushing tone I got out of it. Short story I had the Krank Distortion pedal in front of my Fender Twin reverb and loved that tone. Found the amp and away I went.
Today 10 years later I have had many distortion pedals and 3 Boss GT processors in 4CM with that amp. Currently I have the GT-100 and also have pedals. I keep switching back and forth and now I want to blow it all out and start over as I'm frustrated with my gain channel as I can't seem to retain that high gain tight sound I use to have. I don't get it.
As far as your question , I much prefer a amp's gain channel over any pedal I have ever used. I will say this, there are plenty out there that will get most people exactly where they want to be including myself. I have plugged into many OD Distortion type pedals and thought "I would buy an amp that sounds like this".
Mesa Boogie has some of the best gain channels I have ever heard along with ENGL and Peavey. I'm a Metal guy and I like a tight strong aggressive sounding gain channel. My Krank once did that for me and today it takes a tube screamer for it to sound like it did by itself. or like I said maybe it does sound like it self and I'm just so use to the tube screamer in front of it so when I remove it the amp now sounds weak like my input signal isn't hitting the front end hard enough.
 
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the real question is...how many use power amp distortion rather than preamp?

or how bout PI distortion? the pi tube melting down is the key to lots of marshall rock tones. volume permitting, a cranked amp is all i need. when i play a festival or any other gig i dont have to worry about stage volume i bring my old deluxe reverb, turn it up to 6 and run with it. i might add timmy to the signal chain to get a tonal shift by pushing the mids if im using single coils but its more about thickening up a scooped bf fender amp than adding gain or volume
 
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Lately I do, but I'm using lower watt amps (<20). In a previous life, when using 50 or 100 watt amps that had insufficient MV, I did use dirt boxes. Still use them or a clean boost for solos sometimes.

I'm talking live in small bars.
 
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Yeah, even getting 18 watts to saturate (like 2 6v6s) can be impossibly loud for most stages.
 
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120 db boost? Seriously? How does that work? (As in, how does that not blow everything up?)
I mostly use the OD side, the clean boost is set up to run into that (in case I need both for some reason like an old Marshall or wanting to make an AC30 be super brutal or something) or on its own and it can drive an amp to sound like it's having a full meltdown, breaks up in an awesome way almost like a fuzz but not quite. I'll demo it soon and do something more in depth called 'inside El Dunco's Cornhole'.
 
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I got to plug in a single channel half stack once that was set clean with volume maxed & preamp gain less that 8oclock. It wasn't super loud per say but sounded fat & smooth, it felt awesome to play through it, the dynamics were crazy awesome.
 
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I got to plug in a single channel half stack once that was set clean with volume maxed & preamp gain less that 8oclock. It wasn't super loud per say but sounded fat & smooth, it felt awesome to play through it, the dynamics were crazy awesome.

I think the best "clean" channel is often one that's about to burst at the seams.
 
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Since having my Cornford's the only time I've really used gain pedals is if I've used someone else's amp. I sold a fair few pedals off but kept a few "just in case" i decide to use my JTM45.
 
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I got to plug in a single channel half stack once that was set clean with volume maxed & preamp gain less that 8oclock. It wasn't super loud per say but sounded fat & smooth, it felt awesome to play through it, the dynamics were crazy awesome.

Sounds like the Toneking Royalist 15 at my buddy's shop. The clean sound has so much punch and compression that it's like playing the lead channel on a great channel switcher... but it's just so awesome when you can get that kind of response from a clean tone. It feels like riding the lightening when you strap on and plug into amps like that.
 
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It's been a long time since I posted here but I'm feeling this particular thread right now.

I've got a JTM-45 clone that has an MV, so I can get to the edge of breakup without killing myself or the audience. I love that sound for rhythm; I step on a Zendrive as a solo boost. I've also been known to throw on a Big Muff from time to time with a Strat and delay when I'm going for my (very) humble Gilmour impression.

At this point I'm all about Marshall-style gain with a booster or fuzz - no additional OD needed.
 
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I find that amp gain is a bit over the top for what I do with the guitar. I like to have an extremely clean combo for a rich clean tone, and then have a pedal add just a touch of compression and to shape the EQ of the amp. At the moment my main overdrive is a tubescreamer, and I only run the gain at about 9o'clock, with the volume a nudge above unity. It doesn't even push my amp into overdrive, instead it pushes the mids lightly and adds a bit of compression so that it cuts through the mix with the tiniest bit of extra grit.

It's not even that I don't like natural amp distortion, I just don't really use anything above a super low gain sound, and I find that is most realistically achieved by setting the amp for a clean tone and using a pedal when I need it.
 
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For the past 108 years i have hated the natural amp distortion from every amp I've owned..... they were hissy and never never enough gain!

Until i bought my Peavey XXL. This amp crushes, it changed everything about my setup.
Very pleased with it.

But if i was in a death metal band, I'd use a dirt box period. Its just better.
 
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