Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
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Lake Placid Blues
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I had G12T75's in my 4x12 when I got it. I changed over to V30's and really liked them tons better than the 75's, especially for overdriven tones. The 75's were thinner and brighter than the V30's. To me the 75 had (a lot) more treble, and way less mid range. The 75 is a "scooped mids" speaker. The 75 may have more bass, but it's not as tight or as articulate in my opinion.
The V30 is a very articulate speaker, and does not hide much of anything. That can be a bit disconcerting to the unintiated. If you like a bit chime to your cleans, or if you like single coils, you might like the V30. I find that under distortion with the V30, the tone seems a bit gainier or fatter with a smoother sustain. On the otherhand, if your using hot humbuckers, the more relaxed mids of the 75 might work better for you.
I had G12T75's in my 4x12 when I got it. I changed over to V30's and really liked them tons better than the 75's, especially for overdriven tones. The 75's were thinner and brighter than the V30's. To me the 75 had (a lot) more treble, and way less mid range. The 75 is a "scooped mids" speaker. The 75 may have more bass, but it's not as tight or as articulate in my opinion.
The V30 is a very articulate speaker, and does not hide much of anything. That can be a bit disconcerting to the unintiated. If you like a bit chime to your cleans, or if you like single coils, you might like the V30. I find that under distortion with the V30, the tone seems a bit gainier or fatter with a smoother sustain. On the otherhand, if your using hot humbuckers, the more relaxed mids of the 75 might work better for you.
LoFiBrian
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
i see the v-30 as darker with more bite in the mids. I like the lows in a closed back with the V-30 as i think they are perfect. pretty versatile if you can accept the mids and it being kinda warm. pretty average kinda early breakup from them.
the 75 is bright on top with a slight scoop in the mids and later breakup. I think the lows on the 75 are just too tight. great for metal but thats about all I like them for.
They pair well together in a closed back 2x12 IMO.
i see the v-30 as darker with more bite in the mids. I like the lows in a closed back with the V-30 as i think they are perfect. pretty versatile if you can accept the mids and it being kinda warm. pretty average kinda early breakup from them.
the 75 is bright on top with a slight scoop in the mids and later breakup. I think the lows on the 75 are just too tight. great for metal but thats about all I like them for.
They pair well together in a closed back 2x12 IMO.
korovamilkdud
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I found my V30 clones to be much less directional and more articulate than the 75s My cab came with. More mids too, and tighter in the bass. I though the 75's bass was too loose, that was one of my problems with it.
I found my V30 clones to be much less directional and more articulate than the 75s My cab came with. More mids too, and tighter in the bass. I though the 75's bass was too loose, that was one of my problems with it.
aaronl
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I pray I am not hi-jacking the thread here, but how about these?
http://www.warehouseguitarspeakers.com/proddetail.php?prod=green25_12
They seem like decent speakers and I have read some pretty good press on them.
I pray I am not hi-jacking the thread here, but how about these?
http://www.warehouseguitarspeakers.com/proddetail.php?prod=green25_12
They seem like decent speakers and I have read some pretty good press on them.
Ascension
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I have GT12T-75's in my 4/12 and Avatar 2/12 and a set of vin 30's in my Fender 2/12. The GT12T-75's have more THUMP in the bottom and a scoop in the mids. The Vin 30 is quite mid heavy and can be really honky in the mids and quite harsh in the top end. I prefer the GT12T-75's. There is a reason that GT12T 75's were THE speaker for Hair Metal and also the default Marshall speaker in the 4/12 cabs:cool2:.
I have GT12T-75's in my 4/12 and Avatar 2/12 and a set of vin 30's in my Fender 2/12. The GT12T-75's have more THUMP in the bottom and a scoop in the mids. The Vin 30 is quite mid heavy and can be really honky in the mids and quite harsh in the top end. I prefer the GT12T-75's. There is a reason that GT12T 75's were THE speaker for Hair Metal and also the default Marshall speaker in the 4/12 cabs:cool2:.
the guy who invented fire
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
V30's are very middy wiht a nice tight bottom while 75T's are really scooped and sound rather thin to my ears...Greenbacks on the other hand are really middy but lack bottom overall and can be a little on the muddy side...
V30's are very middy wiht a nice tight bottom while 75T's are really scooped and sound rather thin to my ears...Greenbacks on the other hand are really middy but lack bottom overall and can be a little on the muddy side...
edi_87
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From those 3 (G12M25, G12T-75, G12V30) I'd certainly NOT recommend G12T-75.. Although it does the job for some guys I always remember it as ear-piercing, very bright speaker with almost no mids. I hated it when I played a loud gig and everything that was cutting through the mix were the high frequencies.. On the other hand, they work VERY well under heavy gain - under distortion (and I mean distortion
) they're articulate, don't buzz, act very natural.. + they're good for recording in studio.. Probably a good choice for guys who play a lot of heavy to very heavy stuff, especially with scooped mids
Vintage 30 - like you all said - articulate, middy (but I would not say "mid heavy"), bright but with very nice and balanced high frequencies, tight bass.. Well for me they sound very natural
Greenback - my personal favourite - but if you put 'em in a good cabinet, otherwise it's like the guy who invented fire said, they lack bass.. In a proper cab they sing! Sweet highs, rich mids.. And.. this organic woody sound.. mmm
From those 3 (G12M25, G12T-75, G12V30) I'd certainly NOT recommend G12T-75.. Although it does the job for some guys I always remember it as ear-piercing, very bright speaker with almost no mids. I hated it when I played a loud gig and everything that was cutting through the mix were the high frequencies.. On the other hand, they work VERY well under heavy gain - under distortion (and I mean distortion
) they're articulate, don't buzz, act very natural.. + they're good for recording in studio.. Probably a good choice for guys who play a lot of heavy to very heavy stuff, especially with scooped midsVintage 30 - like you all said - articulate, middy (but I would not say "mid heavy"), bright but with very nice and balanced high frequencies, tight bass.. Well for me they sound very natural
Greenback - my personal favourite - but if you put 'em in a good cabinet, otherwise it's like the guy who invented fire said, they lack bass.. In a proper cab they sing! Sweet highs, rich mids.. And.. this organic woody sound.. mmm
flipside
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I think everything has pretty much been covered here. The V30's are like everyone has said a bit mid pronounce, however i found them to be a bit "farty" for lack of a better word. I really like my 2x12 G12T-75 cab, I find it to be quite well balanced in fact. Another one of my favourites is the G12H-30, very nice speaker, seems to have the right amount of everything, a little more relaxed than the 75's though.
It comes down to what YOU think sounds best. Each of them a great in their own respects.
I think everything has pretty much been covered here. The V30's are like everyone has said a bit mid pronounce, however i found them to be a bit "farty" for lack of a better word. I really like my 2x12 G12T-75 cab, I find it to be quite well balanced in fact. Another one of my favourites is the G12H-30, very nice speaker, seems to have the right amount of everything, a little more relaxed than the 75's though.
It comes down to what YOU think sounds best. Each of them a great in their own respects.
uOpt
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
I had them 1:1 in a huge speaker cabinet in a Berlin shop with 6 different speakers switchable.
The V30 is entirely different. Very roary mids, kind of one-trick ponyish but doing that very very well. Nothing else sounded like it. Definitely limited music styles.
The regular Celestion was more flexible but kind of boring. I would prefer to get the EV12L instead of the regular Celestion.
I had them 1:1 in a huge speaker cabinet in a Berlin shop with 6 different speakers switchable.
The V30 is entirely different. Very roary mids, kind of one-trick ponyish but doing that very very well. Nothing else sounded like it. Definitely limited music styles.
The regular Celestion was more flexible but kind of boring. I would prefer to get the EV12L instead of the regular Celestion.
cliffenstein
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
Many people hate G12T75's...and even more people hate its predecessor, the G12M70.
I have a JCM800 1960a cab loaded with the 75's and the 70's in an x-pattern. Tone for days...for DAYS!!!! Seriously...it's a great cab that I will not get rid of any time soon. Something about pairing those 2 oft-hated speakers yields incredible results.
Many people hate G12T75's...and even more people hate its predecessor, the G12M70.
I have a JCM800 1960a cab loaded with the 75's and the 70's in an x-pattern. Tone for days...for DAYS!!!! Seriously...it's a great cab that I will not get rid of any time soon. Something about pairing those 2 oft-hated speakers yields incredible results.
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cliffenstein
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
My other JCM800 cab is a 1982a and it's loaded with H100's (the precursor to the K100) x-patterned with v30's. It matches your description exactly. Good stuff.
My other JCM800 cab is a 1982a and it's loaded with H100's (the precursor to the K100) x-patterned with v30's. It matches your description exactly. Good stuff.
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Van Noord
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
The H100 (aka Hot 100) is its own design. A lower echelon Celestion.
The precursor to the G12K-100 was actually the G12K-85, which was said to have been rated at 100w already so they eliminated the name and called it the G12K-100 and remarked it as such.
The H100 (aka Hot 100) is its own design. A lower echelon Celestion.
The precursor to the G12K-100 was actually the G12K-85, which was said to have been rated at 100w already so they eliminated the name and called it the G12K-100 and remarked it as such.
Rex_Rocker
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Re: Vintage 30 vs G12T- 75
The Hot 100 is the T-100. It has the medium-sized magnet. The H-100 has the heavy magnet, so it's closer to the K-100.
cliffenstein
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Yep.
H-100 came stock in many 1982 cabs. H means Heavy, not Hot.
From October 22, 2007 post on The Gear Page:
Tech contact from Celestion: "The G12K-100 is virtually identical to the G12H-100 but has slightly more bottom end."
Yep.
H-100 came stock in many 1982 cabs. H means Heavy, not Hot.
From October 22, 2007 post on The Gear Page:
Tech contact from Celestion: "The G12K-100 is virtually identical to the G12H-100 but has slightly more bottom end."
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