Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

If the heaters are AC it COULD be screwing with the phase of those, and not all tubes are exactly insensitive to differences in voltage between the heaters and other parts (like the Tung-Sol 12AX7s that can't take the difference in voltage between the heater and cathode in a cathode-follower position and burn up).

So, it is theoretically possible that there's something going on there that might be canceling frequencies or inducing others.

It could also affect noise depending on how the ground is referenced.
If all elements of the amp circuit were in proper phase relationship from the start, how could one element change with respect to another?
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

If all elements of the amp circuit were in proper phase relationship from the start, how could one element change with respect to another?
Well, that's the funny thing... The phase of the signal actually flips with each gain stage (in a normal plate-fed stage). That's why you can jumper the channels in some Fender amps because they have the same number of gain stages in both channels and you can't in other Fender amps because they have a different gain stage count and thus are out of phase with each other.

And then there's the constant phase of the input signal (guitar) which could be affected by phasing with harmonics of the 60Hz cycle on the US grid (50Hz in Europe and other areas).

Ever play through an old amp where it had a ground switch on the back? The ground switch was designed so you can flip the ground connection so you don't get electrocuted when you touch the mic if that's grounded differently, but that was rendered necessary by the third ground prong. Flipping that switch can make things sound subtly different if you A/B the amp in both positions while playing. It's mega subtle, but it could be the smoothness/roundness the OP describes.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

If all elements of the amp circuit were in proper phase relationship from the start, how could one element change with respect to another?

Well, that's the funny thing... The phase of the signal actually flips with each gain stage (in a normal plate-fed stage). That's why you can jumper the channels in some Fender amps because they have the same number of gain stages in both channels and you can't in other Fender amps because they have a different gain stage count and thus are out of phase with each other. and if the phase of the input power changed, they would both change as well and still be out of phase, so...................

And then there's the constant phase of the input signal (guitar) which could be affected by phasing with harmonics of the 60Hz cycle on the US grid (50Hz in Europe and other areas).

Ever play through an old amp where it had a ground switch on the back? The ground switch was designed so you can flip the ground connection so you don't get electrocuted when you touch the mic if that's grounded differently, but that was rendered necessary by the third ground prong. Flipping that switch can make things sound subtly different if you A/B the amp in both positions while playing. It's mega subtle, but it could be the smoothness/roundness the OP describes.
You are really, really groping at straws IMO.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

Ever play through an old amp where it had a ground switch on the back? The ground switch was designed so you can flip the ground connection so you don't get electrocuted when you touch the mic if that's grounded differently, but that was rendered necessary by the third ground prong. Flipping that switch can make things sound subtly different if you A/B the amp in both positions while playing. It's mega subtle, but it could be the smoothness/roundness the OP describes.

I do think that would amount to practically the same thing..yes.

Also, if you look at the hifi crowd ..they're pretty fanatical about AC polarity being 'correct' for tonal reasons..

Lots of threads like this in all the hifi forums..

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1145825519&openfrom&2
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

..........Ever play through an old amp where it had a ground switch on the back? The ground switch was designed so you can flip the ground connection so you don't get electrocuted when you touch the mic if that's grounded differently, but that was rendered necessary by the third ground prong. Flipping that switch can make things sound subtly different if you A/B the amp in both positions while playing. It's mega subtle, but it could be the smoothness/roundness the OP describes.
Only thing I noticed when doing the above, was the reduction in or elimination of hum and buzz, if you want to call that a change in sound/tone. Of course when it hums or buzzes, you can't really assess tone properly.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

I finally got around to switching those two wires around yesterday. Pretty simple though I still manged to shock myself in the process haha (mains to the room were switched off but it happened all the same..life sucks lol)

Anyway, the good news is there's DEFINITELY a difference. And a really big one too. When I plugged my 15 watt Goldea Rex amp back into that socket after switching things around a lot of cool things happened. Firstly, this amp has always had a very weak/soft "crunch" mode (half the volume of the lead/clean channels..and pretty anaemic sounding) It's now as loud as the other channels (no volume drop) and when I engage the lead channel it just feels like I strongly boosted the crunch.... (ie more saturation/gain ....at the same volume) ...which is probably how it was designed to be. There's no way this could be my imagination..the crunch was always practically unusable, which I thought was a design shortcoming..but it's now as usable/loud as the other two channels.

Secondly...while it's an awesome sounding little head. It was always pretty tough to dial in. The treble (especially the high E string) would often be overpowered/and sometimes almost dissappear with a lot of bassier/darker settings. But now there's way more presence & it cuts through, pops right out and sparkles on any setting....again ..too obvious a change for me to be imagining it.

There's got to be something to the polarity thing...way too obvious especially with this amp.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

I finally got around to switching those two wires around yesterday. Pretty simple though I still manged to shock myself in the process haha (mains to the room were switched off but it happened all the same..life sucks lol)

Anyway, the good news is there's DEFINITELY a difference. And a really big one too. When I plugged my 15 watt Goldea Rex amp back into that socket after switching things around a lot of cool things happened. Firstly, this amp has always had a very weak/soft "crunch" mode (half the volume of the lead/clean channels..and pretty anaemic sounding) It's now as loud as the other channels (no volume drop) and when I engage the lead channel it just feels like I strongly boosted the crunch.... (ie more saturation/gain ....at the same volume) ...which is probably how it was designed to be. There's no way this could be my imagination..the crunch was always practically unusable, which I thought was a design shortcoming..but it's now as usable/loud as the other two channels.

Secondly...while it's an awesome sounding little head. It was always pretty tough to dial in. The treble (especially the high E string) would often be overpowered/and sometimes almost dissappear with a lot of bassier/darker settings. But now there's way more presence & it cuts through, pops right out and sparkles on any setting....again ..too obvious a change for me to be imagining it.

There's got to be something to the polarity thing...way too obvious especially with this amp.
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Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

I finally got around to switching those two wires around yesterday. Pretty simple though I still manged to shock myself in the process haha (mains to the room were switched off but it happened all the same..life sucks lol)

Anyway, the good news is there's DEFINITELY a difference. And a really big one too. When I plugged my 15 watt Goldea Rex amp back into that socket after switching things around a lot of cool things happened. Firstly, this amp has always had a very weak/soft "crunch" mode (half the volume of the lead/clean channels..and pretty anaemic sounding) It's now as loud as the other channels (no volume drop) and when I engage the lead channel it just feels like I strongly boosted the crunch.... (ie more saturation/gain ....at the same volume) ...which is probably how it was designed to be. There's no way this could be my imagination..the crunch was always practically unusable, which I thought was a design shortcoming..but it's now as usable/loud as the other two channels.

Secondly...while it's an awesome sounding little head. It was always pretty tough to dial in. The treble (especially the high E string) would often be overpowered/and sometimes almost dissappear with a lot of bassier/darker settings. But now there's way more presence & it cuts through, pops right out and sparkles on any setting....again ..too obvious a change for me to be imagining it.

There's got to be something to the polarity thing...way too obvious especially with this amp.

Cognitive dissonance
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

Not at all ..my mind is clear :D

I transpotred it to another room which still has a reversed polarity socket..and viola! Crunch is back to 1/2 volume..
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

I finally got around to switching those two wires around yesterday. Pretty simple though I still manged to shock myself in the process haha (mains to the room were switched off but it happened all the same..life sucks lol)

Anyway, the good news is there's DEFINITELY a difference. And a really big one too. When I plugged my 15 watt Goldea Rex amp back into that socket after switching things around a lot of cool things happened. Firstly, this amp has always had a very weak/soft "crunch" mode (half the volume of the lead/clean channels..and pretty anaemic sounding) It's now as loud as the other channels (no volume drop) and when I engage the lead channel it just feels like I strongly boosted the crunch.... (ie more saturation/gain ....at the same volume) ...which is probably how it was designed to be. There's no way this could be my imagination..the crunch was always practically unusable, which I thought was a design shortcoming..but it's now as usable/loud as the other two channels.

Secondly...while it's an awesome sounding little head. It was always pretty tough to dial in. The treble (especially the high E string) would often be overpowered/and sometimes almost dissappear with a lot of bassier/darker settings. But now there's way more presence & it cuts through, pops right out and sparkles on any setting....again ..too obvious a change for me to be imagining it.

There's got to be something to the polarity thing...way too obvious especially with this amp.

It does make a diff and some devices won't work properly if they're not correctly connected [ motor phase and such ]. I wouldn't worry about any damage to your gear though.
Fixing the power point polarity is as simple as reversing the wires at the back of the plug. If you do it, Turn of the power at the meter box and wear some rubber gloves and rubber soled shoes for safety. It should be a simple matter of undoing a couple of screws, reversing the wires and retightening the screws.The wire terminals should be marked on the plug but it should be easy to ascertain which are the two power wires and which is the earth. There's no need to touch the earth.
Tsk! Tsk!
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

You want to try that tripping [ touching the AC ] That's an even bigger buzz.:D
No, don't try that.
Disclaimer." Do not try this at home ".
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

When i had a house down on the coast i mistakenly pulled out a fuse without switching the power off. **** my ass i crawled back inside after that.

Be safe brother.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

I learned all my electrical safety from Mehdi Sadaghdar.
Terrific !
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

If the breaker for the room was off, and you still got something bigger than a static shock, you may have something larger at issue.

Or that line may be on a different breaker.
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

Break out the multimeter and see if switching the breaker off actually shuts the power off for the room. Also test the grounds while you're at it (if you don't already have a polarity/ground tester, in which case, GET ONE!!!).
 
Re: Wall socket polarity... (mine was reversed :p)

Turns out I'd switched the kitchen one off instead...should've been the one next to that. Did'nt realize that till I decided to double-check a while ago after reading the last couple of posts here :p

The thing is I used one of those tester/screwdrivers before I started to make sure the socket was dead & it did'nt light up (was'nt working maybe or I did'nt make proper contact..). That's how I thought I had the right circuit breaker..
 
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