Warm amps with thickness and aggression?

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drew_half_empty said:
i mean maybe they're warm for the new cascading gain footswitchable lottachannel amps, but in the grand scheme of things they're not all that warm or thick.
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Maybe mesas don't work for you homie. That's cool. But..."warm mesa is an oxymoron"?! Christ, thats a laugh.

Papersoul...the Mark IV does have a little bit of a learning curve, though once you get the hang of it its pretty easy to dial in. Took me about a week ;).

Though maybe you could describe the kinds of tones that you're after? Suggestions so far have ranged from an 18 watt clone, to an el diablo, to a celtic. I cant help but think that we're not all on the same page here.
 
Re: Warm amps with thickness and aggression?

When ever i read the words, "warm" and "amp", i think of ORANGE AMPS !


My 2cents
JP
 
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papersoul said:
great cleans which having a thick/warm/aggressive/smooth tone?
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this + good sounding at low volumes, two channels, no modules to buy and quite a bit cheaper than framus or diezel? CHECK OUT BUDDA! seriously no one on this board seems to really acknowledge the companys existance but they make amazing amps. not to mention you just described one.


also a bogner shiva could also be up your alley.
 
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Mesa Rectifier amps, even the Roadster and Road King still seem to have that annoying buzz/fizz in the upper mids or highs that even with the presence on "0", still exists.
I remember reading about some of the modular units on the market and the Rectifier modules Bruce Egnater designed for his amps and mentioned the Rectifier modules are like a better rectifier, basically all the good things about the rectifier without the buzz/fizz. It is ashame Mesa can't get rid of that aspect in their tone otherwise, they would be top on my list and the list of many others.

It is hard to describe what I want but I have heard it in certain amp sound samples I have heard recently. It is something I can hear in my head, almost dark, low mid heavy, rich, thick, warm, yet mean at the same time. Something that is still dynamic enough to handle classic rock and blues if you roll back the volume or gain. I think the VHT Deliveranc eis very dynamic and their new SIG X amp is a possibility since they designed it with more warmth and sag in mind, plus the clean is supposed to take the title as best clean on a high gain amp. Keep in mind, my band plays realy heavy music but I am not the biggest fan of one trick ponies and that is why the modular amps appeal to me. Some of the Egnater MOD 50 samples I have heard have gotten as close to the tone I hear in my head than any other amp. Maybe I should juts get one and sell if it does not do what I want.

A few other amps I thought about are the Diezel Einstein, Wizard Modern Classic, Mark Cameron CCV 100, Custom Audio OD-100, VHT Sig:X, Egnater MOD 50, and TOL 100.
 
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Well, I certainly disagree with you about the fizz/buzz of a Mesa amps. When in the context of what it was designed for (a band) and/or recorded they are pretty tough tones to beat.

I have owned and used the modular setup (Randall RM100 and Randall modules, Bruce's design), while I think it was stellar in some repsects, it didn't have the depth and 3D quality that I hear with a Mark IV/Recto/Road King/F-30. Randall's 1086 and XTC were my favorite modules; the Recto/Rectified/TreadPlate module was not a high point for me. It was very washed out and mushy.
 
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Binnerscot said:
Well, I certainly disagree with you about the fizz/buzz of a Mesa amps. When in the context of what it was designed for (a band) and/or recorded they are pretty tough tones to beat.

I have owned and used the modular setup (Randall RM100 and Randall modules, Bruce's design), while I think it was stellar in some repsects, it didn't have the depth and 3D quality that I hear with a Mark IV/Recto/Road King/F-30. Randall's 1086 and XTC were my favorite modules; the Recto/Rectified/TreadPlate module was not a high point for me. It was very washed out and mushy.
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However, you didn't try the Egnater MOD 50? I hear that is much better than the Randall versions.
 
Re: Warm amps with thickness and aggression?

"papersoul
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:21 am Post subject:

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I agree, I have been able to get thick, screaming lead tones on a Rectifier with the Vintage setting! What did you mean about the MOD 50 being the only amp...to do what???

Anyway, people say the Rectifiers are so scooped. I don't hear that at all. In fact, I found them to cut better than most amps.....nice mid snarl.

Now, I know some guys who say Marshalls have the clear, thick midrange, which Boogies have the low end and low mid girth but lack the midrange clarity. I know one guy who said he found a happy medium in the H&K Triamp, but honestly when I gigged with a Dual Rec, I thought it sounded great."

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I am sure you recognize this (it appears we frequent the same places), and I am not trying to poke you in the eye, but it seems that you may have acquired GAS-itis
 
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Get a Marshall JCM2000 DSL... It is very thick, at least compared to my previous ENGL Screamer, and it has the classic Marshall sound :)
 
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Have you talked to Jeff Seal? Ever since I've had my handwired 2204 I've been pretty happy. If you need multi-channel he does it too.

Jeff told me that if you get a Cameron you need to plan on him doing all your work because the circuits are gunked with epoxy.

Outside of that....the Einstein is a cool amp. The mode switch is very cool.

VHTs are too dry and fidelic for me.

Luke
 
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Find a used Fender Prosonic!! SMOKING hot over the top gain smooth expressive and will get stupid loud. Keep your Boogies Soldanos ect just give me a Fender Prosonic and I'm happy!! Now keep in mind I was allways a Marshall dude untill I played a Prosonic. Bruce Zinky is to modern amps what Grover Jackson is IMO to modern guitars. If ya got tha cash check out Zinkys own stuff it KILLS!!! Beware though a new Superfly will set ya back a "few" grand though.
 
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Binnerscot said:
"papersoul
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:21 am Post subject:

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I agree, I have been able to get thick, screaming lead tones on a Rectifier with the Vintage setting! What did you mean about the MOD 50 being the only amp...to do what???

Anyway, people say the Rectifiers are so scooped. I don't hear that at all. In fact, I found them to cut better than most amps.....nice mid snarl.

Now, I know some guys who say Marshalls have the clear, thick midrange, which Boogies have the low end and low mid girth but lack the midrange clarity. I know one guy who said he found a happy medium in the H&K Triamp, but honestly when I gigged with a Dual Rec, I thought it sounded great."

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I am sure you recognize this (it appears we frequent the same places), and I am not trying to poke you in the eye, but it seems that you may have acquired GAS-itis
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You are right.......good call. When I gigged with a Rectifier a while back I found it to sit well in the mix but didn't give me exactly what I wanted like when i tried the Switchblade.
I did however hear the buzzies when playing alone and that still bothered me because many times I just jam on my own.

Problem is I still want an all tube amp! The Switchblade can be a backup.

I am checking out a Diezel Einstein now so the GAS is strong right now!

The MOD 50 (also sounds thick and warm in clips plus it might kill some GAS because I can buy modules rather than amps) is known to be an amp that works well at low volumes and the new VHT SIG x. UGH! I am checking myself into a GAS clinic.:friday::eyecrazy:

Who is Jeff Seal?

gearjoneser..did you make that statue?
 
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my 68 Bassman is is a fat, lush, screamer. Beautiful cleans with volume rollback. Still absurdly cheap amps.
 
Re: Warm amps with thickness and aggression?

Kevlar3000,
Dude, you are not gonna back me up on six-nippled AOR ???
 
Re: Warm amps with thickness and aggression?

Try the Mesa Express 5:50 1 x 12 combo. I tried it expecting another F-series shrill-fest and I ended up buying it and selling my Recto. The clean is big, round, and sparkly, gets a great Stonesy grind, and has a lead/gain stage that can hang with the Recto, but less shrill and more vintage sounding. Great amp for 2/3 - 1/2 what boutiques are going for now.
 
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