ExplorersRock
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Doing a Warmoth build. Strat body. I'm considering doing one of the 24 & 3/4 conversion necks. Has anyone tried these? How's the access to the higher frets, any Less accessible than a normal 22-fret Strat neck?
Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
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Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
I'd have thought access to the higher frets would be limited more by the body shape than the scale length. I've got one of the 24.75" length necks on one of their LP bodies, and access on that is just what you'd expect of an LP. I don't see a Strat body behaving any differently.
I'd have thought access to the higher frets would be limited more by the body shape than the scale length. I've got one of the 24.75" length necks on one of their LP bodies, and access on that is just what you'd expect of an LP. I don't see a Strat body behaving any differently.
DarkMatter
Unprofessional Toneologist
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
The highest frets will more or less be in the same place as on a 25.5". The scale is compensated from the nut moving towards the bridge and this does relocate the frets but as you move up the neck the difference gets smaller and smaller.
The highest frets will more or less be in the same place as on a 25.5". The scale is compensated from the nut moving towards the bridge and this does relocate the frets but as you move up the neck the difference gets smaller and smaller.
CTN
The Drama Dude
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
because the neck pocket and indeed the body remains the same, and since the fretboard overhang is pretty much the same as a 25.5" scale neck, the upper fret access should be about the same.
although you'll obviously have to get used to the upper frets being spaced closer together.
because the neck pocket and indeed the body remains the same, and since the fretboard overhang is pretty much the same as a 25.5" scale neck, the upper fret access should be about the same.
although you'll obviously have to get used to the upper frets being spaced closer together.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
To me, the conversion neck always felt slightly "wrong". I felt unsighted in much the same way that one does when first trying a headless instrument.
To me, the conversion neck always felt slightly "wrong". I felt unsighted in much the same way that one does when first trying a headless instrument.
ItsaBass
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
A conversion neck is as if you were to leave the stock neck on the body, chop off the space between the nut and the first fret, reattach the head at the first fret, and install a nut in place of the first fret. As such, you lose one fret on the high end...but you get it back by having an overhanging fretboard. So fret access is the same as if you were playing in keys half a step higher than normal.
I REALLY wish they did the same types of conversion parts for basses. I'd love to be able to easily convert a standard P Bass to a short or medium scale.
A conversion neck is as if you were to leave the stock neck on the body, chop off the space between the nut and the first fret, reattach the head at the first fret, and install a nut in place of the first fret. As such, you lose one fret on the high end...but you get it back by having an overhanging fretboard. So fret access is the same as if you were playing in keys half a step higher than normal.
I REALLY wish they did the same types of conversion parts for basses. I'd love to be able to easily convert a standard P Bass to a short or medium scale.
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Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
This is incorrect. All they do is move the nut closer to the body, but relocate the frets to accommodate the shorter scale. The frets would be closer together, not farther (a half step's space) away.
This is incorrect. All they do is move the nut closer to the body, but relocate the frets to accommodate the shorter scale. The frets would be closer together, not farther (a half step's space) away.
ItsaBass
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
No; it isn't. Think about it...
No; it isn't. Think about it...
astrozombie
KatyPerryologist
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
It sounds incorrect to me, no offense intended at all. I was under the impression they just moved the components a little closer.
It sounds incorrect to me, no offense intended at all. I was under the impression they just moved the components a little closer.
ItsaBass
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
The neck pocket and neck heel stay where they would be on a Fender scale.
The bridge stays where it would be on a Fender scale.
The nut goes the same distance from the bridge as the first fret would be on a Fender scale.
An extra high fret is added.
The dots are placed correctly in relation to the nut.
That is a conversion neck, roughly speaking.
Fret spacing only needs to change if the nut is moved somewhere other than exactly where the first fret would be on a Fender scale.
Test it out. Downtune your guitar to Eb, put a capo on the first fret (giving you E), and you effectively get a conversion neck (without the extra high fret, and without the dots being in the right places).
The neck pocket and neck heel stay where they would be on a Fender scale.
The bridge stays where it would be on a Fender scale.
The nut goes the same distance from the bridge as the first fret would be on a Fender scale.
An extra high fret is added.
The dots are placed correctly in relation to the nut.
That is a conversion neck, roughly speaking.
Fret spacing only needs to change if the nut is moved somewhere other than exactly where the first fret would be on a Fender scale.
Test it out. Downtune your guitar to Eb, put a capo on the first fret (giving you E), and you effectively get a conversion neck (without the extra high fret, and without the dots being in the right places).
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Funkfingers
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Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
What Itsa's statement is is imprecise.
What Itsa's statement is is imprecise.
ItsaBass
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
I'll buy that! And it was by design that I didn't do any math; to keep the explanation simple. I said "as if" for a reason in my initial post: the show that my statements were not to be applied to any one manufacturer's product, but taken as a general design approach. It was meant solely to illustrate what happens to your upper fret access, and that's it. In other words, your notes get pushed closer to the bridge, meaning that in the same key, the guitar with the conversion neck will give you less fret access.
The difference is about 3/4 of an inch, so obviously Warmoth does not place the nut where the first fret would be on Fender scale.
I'll buy that! And it was by design that I didn't do any math; to keep the explanation simple. I said "as if" for a reason in my initial post: the show that my statements were not to be applied to any one manufacturer's product, but taken as a general design approach. It was meant solely to illustrate what happens to your upper fret access, and that's it. In other words, your notes get pushed closer to the bridge, meaning that in the same key, the guitar with the conversion neck will give you less fret access.
The difference is about 3/4 of an inch, so obviously Warmoth does not place the nut where the first fret would be on Fender scale.
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DarkMatter
Unprofessional Toneologist
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
I have both a 25.5 and 24-3/4 and the 22 fret is roughly .100" closer to the saddle along the high E on the short scale.
I have both a 25.5 and 24-3/4 and the 22 fret is roughly .100" closer to the saddle along the high E on the short scale.
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ItsaBass
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
Hi,
What I need is a 30" conversion neck with a '51 P Bass headstock and square heel, "total vintage" one piece construction, 1-11/16 nut, fat neck profile. I've looked into it in detail in the past, and those things are not available from Warmoth. That headstock, that heel, and one-piece construction are not available on the short scale necks, and you are limited to a Jazz Bass nut width and the standard profile.
Also, are those short necks scale conversion necks? Or do they need to be mated with one of your 7/8 bass bodies?
Hi,
What I need is a 30" conversion neck with a '51 P Bass headstock and square heel, "total vintage" one piece construction, 1-11/16 nut, fat neck profile. I've looked into it in detail in the past, and those things are not available from Warmoth. That headstock, that heel, and one-piece construction are not available on the short scale necks, and you are limited to a Jazz Bass nut width and the standard profile.
Also, are those short necks scale conversion necks? Or do they need to be mated with one of your 7/8 bass bodies?
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CloneRanger
New member
Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
I have two of 'em, and I'm desperately in love with 'em :1: Being a Les Paul player at heart, they let me play Fender style axes with complete comfort.
I have two of 'em, and I'm desperately in love with 'em :1: Being a Les Paul player at heart, they let me play Fender style axes with complete comfort.
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Funkfingers
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Re: Warmoth 24 & 3/4 Conversion Necks
Famous guitarists employing guitars of this sort include Frank Zappa and Andy Summers.
Famous guitarists employing guitars of this sort include Frank Zappa and Andy Summers.
