What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

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Some players like Satriani, Vai and Yngwie get all their distortion from a pedal, but there are those like James Hetfield who swear by amp distortion.

Just wanna hear what you guys think!

and btw, this does not include using an overdrive to heat up a lightly distorted amp, im talking about getting ALL distortion from a pedal.
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

It's a very broad question really, because it's impossible to just say "amp" and describe the entire spectrum of available guitar amplification. There are some amps that sound great overdriven, and there are many others that sound like a large feral cat being disemboweled. If we're talking about the great amps, then it is difficult to match the girth and organic quality of tube overdrive and distortion with a pedal, but if we're talking about average or mediocre amps, then I've got a bunch of pedals that would absolutely destroy their overdriven sounds.

The next question is a matter of volume. Whilst there are great amps with great natural distortion, it quite often the case that they have to be played at high volumes to achieve power tube distortion, which can render them unusable in the majority of performance situations. It can therefore be the case that a pedal provides a better solution than driving an amp to the point of getting arrested. This is why lower wattage amps can also provide a valid solution, because you can attain their natural overdrive at usable volumes.

The next issue is versatility. Whilst many amps offer multiple gain stages and channels, very few excel at covering the entire gain range. Most will encounter some form of compromise, eg, providing a great overdriven sound at the expense of the clean sounds, or vice versa. Even some of the most expensive multi channel amps can be left for dead in the clean department by a dedicated single channel amp that has been designed and focused on an excellent clean sound. Many people claim that their amp can 'do it all,' but in practical terms, it is quite often wishful thinking, and when their amps are put up against something truly magnificent, they see the shortcomings of their 'swiss army knife' amp. There are a couple of possible exceptions to this, but they come with an appropriately exorbitant price tag.

Since many live situations require a broad palette of gain stages, it can be a viable option to use an amp renowned for its clean sound, and add a few good quality pedals to provide varying degrees of gain. This would depend on how important the clean sound is. If most of the music you're playing requires constant overdriven or distorted tones, it would be more beneficial to find an amp that excels at these, giving the option of using the guitar's volume to roll off for a cleaner sound when required. But if a good clean sound is required for much of your music, then the pedal option can be more attractive.

All of the YouTube clips in my sig are pedals into a clean amp. For that particular gig, I need more gain stage options than one amp can deliver. My options would be to have 3 or 4 amps on stage, or find good pedals that work well into a great clean amp. Personally, I went for the latter.



Cheers...................................... wahwah
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Howdy,

Authentic power tube overdrive for me! Just turn it up and let 'er rip. No channel switching, no pedals. I sometimes gig with a red knob Twin. To get "dirt" from this amp, instead of using the distortion channel, I simply activate the "Lo-Power" switch. With a 335, I can overdrive a single 6L6 for decent classic rock/blues.

Eggman
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

and btw, this does not include using an overdrive to heat up a lightly distorted amp, im talking about getting ALL distortion from a pedal.

Eh.. .who the hell does that? Even the dudes you're talking about don't do that. What do you think Yngwie signature pedal is meant for?
 
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YJM doesn't use distortion pedal, he uses overdrive to push the amp into further distortion. Vai and Satch use both ways, IIRC.
 
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I’ve done both ways with various rigs and bands over the years, but at the moment I’m running , my amp completely clean and using pedals for all my gain needs.

To be quite honest, I leave my Lovepedal Eternity clone turned on almost all of the time, and it’s set to be ****ed near clean anyway - the gain pot is set to around 8 o clock. This just gives me a nice warm ALMOST clean tone that I can clean up completely by turning my guitar volume down to 8, and it works better for me than driving the amp because I run the Eternity before my delays etc. Driving the amp would make my delay repeats all muddy, and I don’t like that - there’ s a use for those tones, but not for me right now.

I’m getting crunch from a BOR clone, and full on distortion from a Turbo Rat clone, and I’ll be building myself a Crunch Box clone very soon too, which will take over on high gain tones, and I’ll either use the Rat either as a boost, or else I'll just retire it to my small board for fun jams.

In my experience, you can get great tones from a clean amp and a load of pedals for any situation other than really tight, technical metal tones. When I was in a band where I needed those tones, I used a 5150 II - great for metal, but the cleans suck and it’ not great for any other style.

It's entirely dependant on the rig, the situation and the user. A great player can get a good tone out of anything, and whilst I'm far far far from great, the signature thing with my style at the moment is the reverbs and delays I'm using, so the gain tones are almost secondary, and I'm happy with what I have.

If I was playing straight up blues where you don't need multiple gain stages and a ton of ambient effects, I'd probably go straight in to a good amp. But at the moment I'm playing ambient/post rock/whatever stuff, and pedals suit me better.

There's no right or wrong, and there's no definite answer. There are too many variables from rig to rig and band to band to decide one way is better than the other overall.
 
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i use both with different set ups... but for jamming most of the time these days i'm using pedals into a clean tube amp...
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Mix of the two. The amp is never clean, but the pedals aren't often off either.
 
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i only use dirt pedals for my distortion, but it's because my amps natural distortion isn't all that great(it's a slightly modded windsor head). however, it's cleans are great for what i do, and dirt pedals into it sound great.
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Use whatever gives the sound you want in the situation you're in.

No right way, no wrong way. Just the was that suits YOU.

Long diatribe about stage -v- studio, bedroom -v- gigging, practicality -v- resources etc.

But you said '.....prefer.....', and for me it's valves (toobs you call 'em).
 
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Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Out of interest, how clean does the Windsor stay? Can you get crystal clean at high volume?
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

For me right now, I much prefer to have an amp with a sublime clean tone, then get a pedal for when I need a little bit of dirt, because I rarely need overdrive and when I do it's usually for short enough that I don't mind not having the perfect overdrive.
 
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Out of interest, how clean does the Windsor stay? Can you get crystal clean at high volume?

it can get pretty clean, but not at very high levels. i'd say it's actually a good club amp volume wise if your just going for clean sounds(and can be a godsend for dealing with sound engineers). if you need to go higher, scooping the mids helps it stay a bit cleaner, and this amp has mids to spare. that may be why people don't think it has good cleans, is because of it's naturally mids-strong character. btw i installed a 12at7 in my v1 for less gain and harshness. the stock preamp tubes are flubby and harsh.
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Amp. I've never used a dirt box. Lower wattage amp through 25W speakers, and crank it up. Once you experience the feel that power tube break up gives you, you'll be hooked. No other way to get that feel.
 
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Pedals suck, plain and simple. If you are going for distortion and you think the pedal is better, its a sure sign your amp does not meet your needs.

Now, a pedal is OK once in a while for a different flavor but, you will get a much better tone from an amp that is suited to your style. Buy an amp that wull sound teh way you want it to, to start with then, you wont have to worry about some P.O.S. pedal in front of it unless of course, you want that occasional different flavor.



If you play mainly cleans and play with distortion only once in a while, disregard what is aid. If, you play with distortion most of the time, listen up and listen close.
 
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Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

If the amp doesn't have what I like, I need a new amp - I never use pedals for that.
 
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I love a good amp distortion. There are a few pedals I have really dug, and I own both. I can get good sound out of a Metal muff, and a big muff pi, but besides that, nothing comes close to amp distortion.
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Pedals suck, plain and simple. If you are going for distortion and you think the pedal is better, its a sure sign your amp does not meet your needs.

Now, a pedal is OK once in a while for a different flavor but, you will get a much better tone from an amp that is suited to your style. Buy an amp that wull sound teh way you want it to, to start with then, you wont have to worry about some P.O.S. pedal in front of it unless of course, you want that occasional different flavor.



If you play mainly cleans and play with distortion only once in a while, disregard what is aid. If, you play with distortion most of the time, listen up and listen close.

Not trying to start an argument, just a bit of healthy debate here....

What’s your take on fuzz pedals? No amp will ever sound like a good fuzz pedal, and without fuzz pedals you’d miss out on a heck of a lot of great tones ranging from Hendrix to Gilmour to Jack White. All totally different tones, all achieved through the use of fuzz. Fair enough Hendrix’s amp was overdriven to start with, but Gilmour’s certainly wasn’t. Are you saying Gilmour should have ditched the Big Muff and used a better amp for the Comfortably Numb solo?

I’ll stick by what I said, there’s no definite right or wrong, it’s entirely dependant on the tone you seek.
 
Re: What do you prefer: amp or pedal distortion?

Some players like Satriani, Vai and Yngwie get all their distortion from a pedal, but there are those like James Hetfield who swear by amp distortion.

and IMHO they all have horrible tone.


as long as you have a tube power amp, its all good :cool2:
 
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