What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

zionstrat

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Some of you guys will remember I have a mutt 62 Les Paul SG special that was heavily modified in the seventies. It was routed for humbuckers and has early DiMarzio pafs, the bridge was replaced with a badass, the tuners replaced with Grover's and it was painted black. It has the extremely thin neck which is one of the things that attracted me in the first place. it also has the Les Paul sticker on the headstock. How that came to be has been the topic of many many conversations... however I don't play thin necks anymore so i need to let it go.

Obviously this is a player guitar because only the wood and pots are original and I've been looking for some time to sell it in the upper 2000 range to somebody who wants a guitar that has lived in bars and been face-planted regularly and has easily survived the twisting of the neck... Somebody who really wants great tone and feel and also to say I've got a rare bird but I'm not scared to take it out because it's not vintage in pristine condition.

However I recently bumped into a 77 Les Paul pro deluxe mutt which has essentially been modified to the same extent as my guitar. It was routed for a humbucker in the bridge and there is a good chance that the neck p90 is original. Otherwise tunners and bridge have been replaced with grovers and it had been repainted...however the paint job has almost been demolished with raw wood on the back and neck.

It is a paddle headstock, three piece mahogany. The body does not appear to be pancake.. cant find the seam showing through the finish anywhere, but there's no way to prove that.

Considering I can't play my lp special because the neck is so thin and I expect this deluxe will probably feel much more comfortable with the wider neck, I'm trying to figure out what a reasonable trade would be.

I started out by looking at unmodified pristine 62 SG specials and 77 Les Paul pros and it looks like pristine specials are running between 500 to 1000 above the pristine Les Paul pros.

so considering that both have been modified approximately the same, the special's DiMarzio pups are considered vintage, and the specials paint job is better, the low end of a fair trade for the special would be $500 + the Les Paul deluxe pro?

I haven't played it yet and considering the variability of Norland Les Paul's, it might turn out that I don't like it at all. But I wanted to be prepared with a figure and wanted to know what do you guys think?

Photos attached and open to any and all ideas including experience with norlin led paulsScreenshot_20191203-232105_Facebook.jpg
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Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

I wouldn't make the trade. You have a Gibson from one of their most sought after eras, and the '77 is from just about their least sought after era. Keep it or sell it for cash.
 
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P.S. I would estimate your guitar at $1,500–$1,750, $2,000 with patience....and the '77 at about $1,200, maybe $1,600 with patience. That said, I myself would have no interest in the '77, but would absolutely love to have something like the '62. Refins kill a ton of value, even good refins.
 
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Owned a Black 1976 Pro at one time those are very uncommon guitars. It was also one of the best Les Pauls I have ever played just was heavy as a BRICK!! You see Deluxes pretty often from that era but I haven't see a real Pro with the P90's in many years and that is NOT just a Deluxe with P 90's if it is the same guitar that I had!! Had the ebony board and a maple neck like the Custom for one thing if it's a real pro. Might want to take a hard look at it as quality control on those were hit or miss but find a good one and those are really special guitars!!
Listing with elderly on one now.
https://www.elderly.com/products/gibson-les-paul-pro
 
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I think it didn't take a lot to change your mind about that guitar.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...y-62-LP-mutt&p=4385290&viewfull=1#post4385290
Yes and no... I've had close calls to sell it, but i literally dont play it... In reality, i need to thin the heard, but the 77 recently listed and i got to mod a 76 pro last year that had similar mods and it was pretty incredible...

https://www.guitaryoudreamabout.com...575d73e824b128d&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-jfvcdv70

Of course the Norlin years are not in demand and it sounds like i may have overestimated the value on this one.

And there's no guarantee that it will play and sound like the 76 in the video, but if it does;)

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Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

P.S. I would estimate your guitar at $1,500–$1,750, $2,000 with patience....and the '77 at about $1,200, maybe $1,600 with patience. That said, I myself would have no interest in the '77, but would absolutely love to have something like the '62. Refins kill a ton of value, even good refins.
Thanks, it's so hard to value mutts and I really appreciate thoughts around value...

But I may be missing something...
From your low end numbers, if my special is 1500 and he adds 500 to the pro value of 1200, then i end up with 1700 in value?

Or adding 500 to 1600 on the pro high end, i get 2100 in value, right (I've already had my sleeping meds, so i might laugh at my reasoning tomorrow;)

I do get the idea that the Les Paul SG and early 60s does make it the better selling of the two... Plus one of my goals is to thin the herd and another guitar really doesn't makes sense... But when u look at the above video link for the 76 you will see why the 77 got my attention.



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Yeah why not.

I trade guitars sometimes just cuz i want something different.
 
Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

You have an SG from an absolute dream production year.

No way would I make that trade.

But the SG and LP Special/JR necks from the 60s are my favorite -maybe your had doesn't like em like I do.
 
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You have an SG from an absolute dream production year.

No way would I make that trade.

But the SG and LP Special/JR necks from the 60s are my favorite -maybe your had doesn't like em like I do.
Yeah I loved the thin neck before I took up classical guitar and moved into hybrid picking for electric. Yeah I need a pretty wide neck to make sure I can get my fingers on the right hand the lineup.

I was a Townsend fanatic at the time I guess I still am...so the general tone was in the ballpark but of course he had the p90s instead of the humbuckers.

So over the years I've completely replaced this guitar mainly with 25 and a halfs.

I really need to sell it but if you saw the video for the 76 Les Paul pro I was absolutely amazed at how well it felt and sounded...

Of course that was after we did a bunch of reversible mods including a pearly gate;)

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Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

From your low end numbers, if my special is 1500 and he adds 500 to the pro value of 1200, then i end up with 1700 in value?

Or adding 500 to 1600 on the pro high end, i get 2100 in value, right (I've already had my sleeping meds, so i might laugh at my reasoning tomorrow;)

Is this Guitar Arbitrage, or do you want a Les Paul??? Wayyyyyy over-thinking it!

The Les Paul:
- Heavy
- Maple Neck = Brighter and Uber-strong! Thin, but not SG thin, yet not Baseball bat either.
- Real P-90!!!
- Cool HB spot (Remember the whatever they were called with that setup recently, BFG I believe?)

If you want to rock the snot out of it, get the L:es Paul and move on. Investment -wise, both of these are dogs, yours being the better "mutt" but no less a mutt.


Me? I'll take that LP, drop a Double Cream SuperD in the bridge, and a coil Tap and rock on. :headbang:
 
Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

I'd definitely keep the SG. it's a way cooler guitar. that les paul kinda just looks like every other les paul. :sleeping:
 
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Is this Guitar Arbitrage, or do you want a Les Paul??? Wayyyyyy over-thinking it!

The Les Paul:
- Heavy
- Maple Neck = Brighter and Uber-strong! Thin, but not SG thin, yet not Baseball bat either.
- Real P-90!!!
- Cool HB spot (Remember the whatever they were called with that setup recently, BFG I believe?)

If you want to rock the snot out of it, get the L:es Paul and move on. Investment -wise, both of these are dogs, yours being the better "mutt" but no less a mutt.


Me? I'll take that LP, drop a Double Cream SuperD in the bridge, and a coil Tap and rock on. :headbang:
I'm definitely going to try out the Les Paul. And I do like the super D idea.

He tells me it has a seth L in the bridge which could make a lot of sense. We put a pearly gate in the 76 last year it was pretty much in the middle of the two. Great classic rock easy to push through Van Halen territory and parallel to self was just beautiful.

The p90 in the 76 was on the dark side which has its place. But also put a blower circuit that bypassed electronics and it's amazing how that pup can open up when it's not loaded down.

I'll let you know where this one goes and thanks again for a lot of good input.

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Re: What do you think of this trade of a 62 LP/SG with a 77 Les Paul pro?

I'm with Aceman on this one: you are perhaps worrying too much about squeezing every possible dollar out of a guitar you enjoyed and beat on for years and years. If you like the Les Paul then trade; if you get money thrown in that's just gravy.

Keeping a guitar you don't play is not bringing you joy. (Is it? If the sentimental value is really high then just hang it on the wall or in a case and consider it a momento. Seriously.)
 
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Great stuff guys. Will let you know what happens!

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