What do you think ?

[Cazmarzak]

Re: What do you think ?

Yea I see now that if these guys were at my level to begin with, I wouldn't have to of said anything to begin with, ansd that I woulnd't have been happy in the long run.

I should never had aid anything and just declined to play with them, instead of actually thinking that there were guys around here that were willing to learn somehting and realize they don't know it all.

I'm sorry, but the only reaoson I can play the way I do today is because I asked for help and always wanted to learn stuff. These kids around here nowadays are hard headed. As I said the singer had no problem with me as he called me about 4 times and I talked with him for hours before the audition.



Oh well, the next time I will just keep my mouth shut and not offer any advice and just not even bother to try and play with guys who aren't willing to TRY to be at my level( which isn't very high by the way) ,even after they give me the " Your the oly guitar player we can find crap"!

At least then I won't look like an arrogant idiot, cauas I dont want to be perceived as on of those guys ,BUT I'm not going to compromise my talent or drive for the sake of guys who can't cut it either.

 

[moog1000]

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Oh well, the next time I will just keep my mouth shut and not offer any advice and just not even bother to try and play with guys who aren't willing to TRY to be at my level( which isn't very high by the way) ,even after they give me the " Your the oly guitar player we can find crap"!

When I auditioned for my current band, I could tell the guys weren't what you'd call learned players. They were playing original songs and I could hear what they were trying to do but felt it wasn't quite coming off. Anyways I carried on playing with where they were going, and at the end of the night said "I like your stuff, but think it could be better. Are you open for suggestions?" and that was the key bit. They knew they weren't great, and wanted to make their music better, so I guess I was lucky in that case.

I think of it like this: Every knows some friends who play sport of some sorts and they are not very good at it. These are the guys who say "I play to take part" or something like that, which is fine if that's what they enjoy. I play to win, and my music is the same. I try and play my guitar the best I can and make music the best I can. If someone's not willing to listen or back me up, then sod 'em.

 

[Cazmarzak]

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Right on!

My biggest problem in this whole situation , after I thought about it for a few days now is ......

I just got done playing clubs about 2 months ago, playing 2-3 times a month, and these guys have never played anywhere, and I think that both A: went to my head a lttle bit and ,B: worried me that they may not have what it takes.


In the end just a good audition that turned out bad, the problem is , in this area there are very few auditions to begin with.

 

[Cazmarzak]

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Paging Mr. Rannalli , you out there Jason? :dance:

 

[ranalli]

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Yea I see now that if these guys were at my level to begin with, I wouldn't have to of said anything to begin with, ansd that I woulnd't have been happy in the long run.

I should never had aid anything and just declined to play with them, instead of actually thinking that there were guys around here that were willing to learn somehting and realize they don't know it all.

I'm sorry, but the only reaoson I can play the way I do today is because I asked for help and always wanted to learn stuff. These kids around here nowadays are hard headed. As I said the singer had no problem with me as he called me about 4 times and I talked with him for hours before the audition.

Sorry I missed your call last night Rick....seems I'm at work on the computer more than I'm at home these days...


But you hit the nail right on the head with what you said here.

You're a good enough player that you could fit in 90% of the bands no problem. You pay attention to detail in songs and the parts are well done. Nothing pisses me off more than ass-clowns who take cover songs and massacre them for whatever reason. People pay money in bars to hear the songs with a live band.....not for a live band to massacre the songs.

With that being said, you're right....if those guys were at your level you wouldn't have needed to say anything at all. They should have known what they are looking for and what is good and what isn't. How is it that a singer who is 41 years old doesn't know what is going on?? Did he start singing yesterday??

These guys sound like a bunch of amateurs that would have just wasted your time even if their intentions were good. You tend to want to help people like that thinking you can make them better but it never works...it's like the girl who things she can change her loser boyfriend and "save" him.


Sounds like the 2 younger guys picked the younger guitar player just because they were probably on the same level somewhat mentally. The singer probably wasn't going to rock the boat cause he would have been ousted if he disagreed. Maybe it didnt' go down that way but it really doesn't matter.

If I were you and you want to actively gig out, I wouldn't settle for anthying less than people who have gigged before or at least have a majority of the people in the band with at least some gigging experience.

If you just want people to jam with that aren't serious about gigging then that might be easier to find...I don't know.

 

[Cazmarzak]

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Jason,

Thanks for the support! I apreciate it. You and I know tha , like you said, I'm the kind of guy who would be willing to help them out, cause I obvioulsy know more about this than they do, but they were very close minded about it, so I'm not worrying about it.

Al though chances and people are ver few and far between , right now I'm invloved with a bassist and he said he has a singer, but we have no drummer.

I also have a few people who either called me or I saw their add ,so it was easy to goet over these losers! It just makes me mad that we could have sounded decent with a guitar player who could have sang a bit, but the y chose to go the hard route ,so :fing25: ,Sionora !

You have know me pretty well adn you know that I'm not this egotistical person tht these guys made me sound to be, bUt YOu remembe the Bass player in my last band :smack: Oh god I hate to even think about him, I think your exact words were " someone needs to get the mic away from this fool" HAHAHA!

well I just can't deal with another one of him, even if it comes at the cost of me comeing of a bit arrogant at first. You saw my brother play bass, with us once so you know I have learned a lot about Bass from him and I'm not just talking out my ass to these guys.

Oh and I still have your Morley pedal too. Give me a call when you get a chance. LAter.

 

[Metalman_666]

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To me that could have better ben considered chemistry thatn the other guy looking down at his feet rocking back and forth and playing all out of time and standing in the same spot.

Whoa whoa whoa dude... Here's where the young teens like myself have to step in. If you've been playing guitar for 18 years, you undoubtedly have some live experience, and have come out of your shell, allowing you to rock about, headbang, or what have you. When I started playing with my band about a year and some ago, and up until less than 3 months ago, I just felt weird rocking out with my guitar... It's a comfort thing that people learn over time, and I don't think you're being fair in making fun of the other guy for maybe being a little self conscious. Recently though I'm proud to say that I can't just stand and play guitar anymore.. I need to be mobile dammit!

In any case, I don't think you really needed a band where the other musicians can't keep time. When you've been playing as long as you say you have it's perfectly understandable to expect more from your bandmates. But you can't always find what you want right away. What the other guys are saying about the coaching thing also applies. Personally, I think these guys turned you down maybe because of your attitude. Arrogance is never welcome man, it doesn't help anything. Either you deal, or you leave. I've learned, after much frustration (ironically), that in the past I was maybe too hard on my drummer. Occasionally he still messes up the time and what not, but the other guitarist and I just adjust ourselves accordingly, because most of the time he can't hear us. And there's an understanding that we all feel lucky to have the opportunity to FORM a band, with musicians who are at least decent in skill.

Long story short (although not really all that short), just deal with it, sh!t happens and you have to learn to accept it. Everyone wants to be a star; imagine what I want and I'm only 16 going on 17! BAD BANDMATES WILL COME AROUND, but what they need from you is patience and encouragement. That's the only way to thrive. Getting yelled or b!tched at the whole time can just make it worse. Even just knowing that other people are passing negative judgement on you can be a huge problem.

 

[Cazmarzak]

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Dud , did you read all the other posts? I stated that I had no problem helping these guys and playign with them , if they would accept that fact that I happen to know what I'm doing adn they don't know a whole lot. I'm sorrry ,but facts are facts and I can still learn a LOT from people and alaways want guys th show me stuff, If I ha the attitude that they have, I would never have gotten anywhere.

And I wasn't making fun of the guy for not being able to come out of his shell, BUT I am asking, how could tehy say they have chemistry wit ha guy who did that for his whole audition and on the other hand, I'm making eye contact and just plain putting on a show together with these guys like we were entrtaining a crowd.

Agin , I'm not puting him down, but again facts are facts and if I played the stuff correctly with them and they reacted to my movements and what not while we were playing, tht seems like chemistry to me .

And again, did you read the part where I said tthey asked me for my opinions and thoughts? If they didn't like my attitude, well then it's cause they couldn't deal with a guy who had a proffesional attitued and they didn't.

And no , I won't just deal with it, that's why in the end, I'll be in a band that sounds half good and they may never get out of the basement.

An I would rather not play than sound half assed.

Rannalli knows me personally and he is a cool laid back guy, and he will be the first to sy that I don't have an attitude and I'm not arrogant. He was involved in seeing afew shows with my old band and he knows what I have been through and that I have some idea of waht is going on about this stuff.

Oh and age has nothing to do with any of this, I hav no problem playing with a guy who is 16- 17 or whatever, but I'm gonna know a few things more about playing this kind of stuff than they are, so IF they don't want to listen to anything i have to say, well then........ You get the idea.

Ther are exceptions and I'm sure there are some 16 year old s out there that can blow me away, but they haven't been playing in clubs on stages as long as I have so agin...

 

[ranalli]

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I know Rick well enough to know he's not out to put people down and really doesn't. He's VERY patient with people and will sit and help you learn without being condescending in any way, shape, or form. You should have seen the boneheads he put up with in his now defunct band....those guys were a headache and he just beared it so he could just play out every now and then.

It's not too much to ask to have people play in time and be at the same level you are if that's the goal you're shooting for. At the bare minimum they at least have to be willing to learn from someone more experienced and better than them....and 9/10 "musicians" today don't care really. They'd rather play ****ty and do shows half ass rather than learning from experience.