Stringrazor
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I have an '83 Gibson Korina reissue Flying V that has some of the sweetest pickup I've ever played. I've been told they are probably Shaw PAFs and not available aftermarket. What Duncans would be close?
What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
There isn't a Duncan that's very close at all but if you want to go Duncan and get as close as you can get a set of Jazz or Alnico II Pro's (same coils) and swap the magnets with UOA5 magnets...it's not going to be the same but it'll be in the ballpark.
There isn't a Duncan that's very close at all but if you want to go Duncan and get as close as you can get a set of Jazz or Alnico II Pro's (same coils) and swap the magnets with UOA5 magnets...it's not going to be the same but it'll be in the ballpark.
Luke Duke
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
Christian nailed it. Jazz is like a t-top, A2P is like an idealized t-top, and if you use the unoriented A5 magnet you've got the majority of the recipe nailed I believe.
Luke
Christian nailed it. Jazz is like a t-top, A2P is like an idealized t-top, and if you use the unoriented A5 magnet you've got the majority of the recipe nailed I believe.
Luke
LtKojak
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
If you want a set of p'ups with the "vibe" of the Shaws but without any of their (many) shortcomings, a Seth Lover set with Un-Oriented Alnico 5 magnets is the answer.
HTH,
If you want a set of p'ups with the "vibe" of the Shaws but without any of their (many) shortcomings, a Seth Lover set with Un-Oriented Alnico 5 magnets is the answer.
HTH,
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
Since these "shortcomings" are purely your opinion and since he asked for closest to a Shaw and not closest to a Shaw but with the following changes I'd assume he wants as close as he can get "shortcomings" and all and that being the case a Seth with a UOA5 is a world away...
Since these "shortcomings" are purely your opinion and since he asked for closest to a Shaw and not closest to a Shaw but with the following changes I'd assume he wants as close as he can get "shortcomings" and all and that being the case a Seth with a UOA5 is a world away...
LtKojak
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
As all what's you've written here is purely your opinion as well, what's your point...? That your opinion is somehow more worth than my opinion, perhaps?
Back up your statement. Why do you think you're "better" than me?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
As all what's you've written here is purely your opinion as well, what's your point...? That your opinion is somehow more worth than my opinion, perhaps?
Back up your statement. Why do you think you're "better" than me?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
All Christian is saying is the guy wants a Shaw styled pup, not a "fixed" Shaw style pup. I like Shaws too, even if they aren't correct.
All Christian is saying is the guy wants a Shaw styled pup, not a "fixed" Shaw style pup. I like Shaws too, even if they aren't correct.
richard parker
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
What are the 'shortcomings' of Shaws ?
What are the 'shortcomings' of Shaws ?
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
They aren't PAFs. They are fantastic pickups based off of T-Tops, but they are not "pafs". Materials are all wrong. That said, I think they capture the "spirit" of a PAF pretty well. People flip flop all the time about whether or not materials matter the more threads you see about materials, the more flip flopping you see.
Luke
They aren't PAFs. They are fantastic pickups based off of T-Tops, but they are not "pafs". Materials are all wrong. That said, I think they capture the "spirit" of a PAF pretty well. People flip flop all the time about whether or not materials matter the more threads you see about materials, the more flip flopping you see.
Luke
LtKojak
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
The Shaw shortcoming is being the same p'up for both neck and bridge.
It's a good p'up for the neck, not that good for the bridge.
Hence my advice for a Shaw "VIBE", but without the shortcomings, contained in the UOA5 Seth set.
My word of advice stands.
The Shaw shortcoming is being the same p'up for both neck and bridge.
It's a good p'up for the neck, not that good for the bridge.
Hence my advice for a Shaw "VIBE", but without the shortcomings, contained in the UOA5 Seth set.
My word of advice stands.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
All PAF, Pat # pickups, T-Tops, Shaws were all just pickups...no neck and bridge version of any of them but with some careful tweaking you can make up for that. I'd hardly call it a shortcoming.
I stand by my advise that the coil set in a Seth will never have the tone or "vibe" of a Shaw...it's a PAF end of story, the Jazz or A2P coils while still not the same as Shaws are MUCH closer to Shaws than a Seth will ever be.
FWIW, I currently own a set of Shaws and have for over 15 years now so I am very familiar with Shaws...
All PAF, Pat # pickups, T-Tops, Shaws were all just pickups...no neck and bridge version of any of them but with some careful tweaking you can make up for that. I'd hardly call it a shortcoming.
I stand by my advise that the coil set in a Seth will never have the tone or "vibe" of a Shaw...it's a PAF end of story, the Jazz or A2P coils while still not the same as Shaws are MUCH closer to Shaws than a Seth will ever be.
FWIW, I currently own a set of Shaws and have for over 15 years now so I am very familiar with Shaws...
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frankfalbo
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Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
Thing about Shaws that stand out to me is te wire coating. They wouldn't let him use plain enamel, so he had to use poly, but he had them use a thicker poly coating so that the coating thickness was closer/equal to the thickness of plain enamel. So you can interpret that to mean "thicker poly coating" but I don't think it was as thick as what we'd refer to as "heavy build" or "double build".
So we know the dielectric is different, it has different properties, but the space between the layers is what Tim was trying to replicate. I'd say one of two aspects was like a PAF, the other was more like a T-Top. I'd agree with Christian that you're closer technically to a Shaw if you start with a Jazz or AIIPro and start magnet swapping. But that also brings the AIIPro Slash model up for discussion. That's a killer pickup for mag swaps. If it were my guitar, and I liked Shaws, I'd start with AIIPro Slash's and mag swap until I was happy with the results. Remember, Shaws are old enough now to have degaussed a bit. So just like with PAF's you have to decide "did I like the Shaws when they were new, or do I like my old Shaws now?"
Thing about Shaws that stand out to me is te wire coating. They wouldn't let him use plain enamel, so he had to use poly, but he had them use a thicker poly coating so that the coating thickness was closer/equal to the thickness of plain enamel. So you can interpret that to mean "thicker poly coating" but I don't think it was as thick as what we'd refer to as "heavy build" or "double build".
So we know the dielectric is different, it has different properties, but the space between the layers is what Tim was trying to replicate. I'd say one of two aspects was like a PAF, the other was more like a T-Top. I'd agree with Christian that you're closer technically to a Shaw if you start with a Jazz or AIIPro and start magnet swapping. But that also brings the AIIPro Slash model up for discussion. That's a killer pickup for mag swaps. If it were my guitar, and I liked Shaws, I'd start with AIIPro Slash's and mag swap until I was happy with the results. Remember, Shaws are old enough now to have degaussed a bit. So just like with PAF's you have to decide "did I like the Shaws when they were new, or do I like my old Shaws now?"
Luke Duke
PRSlustologist
Re: What Duncan is close to Shaw PAF?
Fantastic insight Frank!
So you would need degaussed UOA5.....I'm sure those are easy to find!
Fantastic insight Frank!
So you would need degaussed UOA5.....I'm sure those are easy to find!
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