What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

[Iron1]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I don't know that an extended graph would be any more meaningful than the three-bar chart. IMO it would just take up more space on the product pages and scare off a subsection of potential customers (on account of looking too technical). I find the current three-bar chart very helpful in giving me a quick visual read on a given pickup -- don't underestimate how immediately useful and accessible it is -- but of course it's not everything. The chart, clips, playing, listening, trusting your own sense of what you want, knowing that a pickup will sound a certain way in someone else's guitar but not yours -- that's why it's an art, not a science.

That was why I suggested having the 3-bar on the opening page, then the 32 accessible via a deeper dive on the details page. And, yeah, it's definitely more art than science.

The 3-bar graph has been incredibly inconsistent in my own experience, but there's not much else to go on. Outside of trying a pickup on your own, through your own setup, there's no "perfect" way to relay how a pickup sounds. I mean, look...as a group, we can't even agree on what is/isn't closest to a Black Winter! Tone is so subjective. That said, I'm the most right

Yeah, it really is subjective. Some people love the Invader, some hate it - and these are people who play similar styles of music.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I'd think a Custom in the neck would overpower anything in the bridge. It is pretty powerful.

Not to say the Custom isn't powerful (and even moreso in the neck!), but I'd be surprised if it overpowered the BW-B. The BW-N may have less wire than the Custom, but it has like 3 times as much ceramic in it, lol, and the BW-B keeps up just fine. I think the Duncan site highly underrates the BW-B's output. Then again, I have not tried a Custom in the neck to know for sure.

But I don't think the Custom in the neck would sound very good, TBH. It's pretty bassy in the bridge already.

 

[Francois]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I like this idea of a kind of sonogramm picture that would translate the overall tone of a pickup on a typical chord, let say E.
But there are some problems :
Some people strums 6 strings barred chords, while other would just do "djent" on one single string so it woyld be hard to get a commun base.
And also low notes on any string instruments from piano to harp have many many harmonics while the highest notes have very few harmonics.
So that specific graph would be quite different if you analyse a drop C or a high lead solo note...

And sorry I did not realize there was no neck Custom : It pairs with a '59 or a Jazz.

So my question should have been (could be a nice thread) : Which other pickup can go along well with a Black Winter (either neck or Bridge).
Anyone has tried something ?

 

[Toejam]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

You can use any pickup in any position, really. As long as the bridge pickup is hotter or equal to the neck, you'll be fine.

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

So my question should have been (could be a nice thread) : Which other pickup can go along well with a Black Winter (either neck or Bridge).
Anyone has tried something ?

I stand by my original opinion that a Sentient neck could hold its own just fine alongside a BW bridge.

 

[chris effect]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I still think the SH6 and BW sound close. They're related at least. this is a good side by side under hi gain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vc0CGTpAnI&feature=youtu.be&t=51

 

[Francois]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

Then what about BW neck with DD bridge ?
This is just that I am buying too many guitars and then cannot afford their pickups... But I will soon have an unemployed vintage SH-6 (b)...

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

Then what about BW neck with DD bridge ?

Don't see why not. The BW neck is a high-output neck pickup and can really keep up with anything.

This is just that I am buying too many guitars and then cannot afford their pickups... But I will soon have an unemployed vintage SH-6 (b)...

"Too many" guitars?? Blasphemy. :nana:

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

Then what about BW neck with DD bridge ?
This is just that I am buying too many guitars and then cannot afford their pickups... But I will soon have an unemployed vintage SH-6 (b)...

I did this exact setup. Typically when I combine middle position using 2H, the neck has some dominance to the sound without either adjusting the neck height lower or lowering its volume. When I put a 1990’s DDJ with a BWn the Distorion won I dominance, having more character and mids and a bit for of a flabby bottom than the BW in the Les Paul Studio I put them in. YMMV

 

[Iron1]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I still think the SH6 and BW sound close. They're related at least. this is a good side by side under hi gain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vc0CGTpAnI&feature=youtu.be&t=51

Love this video, and yeah, they do sound pretty close here, but then there's this, where Ola address people saying his stuff all sounds the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-GXht7qfhg

But, I don't think the BW & DD sound the same in his video you linked.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

Love this video, and yeah, they do sound pretty close here, but then there's this, where Ola address people saying his stuff all sounds the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-GXht7qfhg

But, I don't think the BW & DD sound the same in his video you linked.

I don't think the BW and DD sound the same in that vid either, but I don't think he was saying that. Just that they were similar. And yeah, while I do think the Black Winter has its own thing going on, but owning both and having them in the same guitars at some point, I think there's more similarities between it and the Distortion than differences.

 

[Iron1]

Re: What is closest to a Black Winter, tone-wise?

I don't think the BW and DD sound the same in that vid either, but I don't think he was saying that. Just that they were similar.

I was referring to how people tell Ola his stuff all sounds the same, not that Chris Effect was saying that. Sorry for the confusion, I should have clarified that better.

And yeah, while I do think the Black Winter has its own thing going on, but owning both and having them in the same guitars at some point, I think there's more similarities between it and the Distortion than differences.

Yeah, I agree with that, for sure - while they're clearly not "the same" they do sound like they come from the same family/flavor. So, maybe I'll get a DD and see how it, the BW & Nazgul all sit together.