What Is Good Tone?

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obviously technique has a lot to do with tone, but aside from that, what do you think makes good tone? i realize this question would not be very good unless you were to at least categorize it basically into the type of music. so for metal, blues, rock, etc..., respectively, what do you consider good tone and how do you achieve it?
 
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Obviously each person's definition of good tone is going to be different, because there are no laws or standards to go by since it is essentially a matter of taste. There are, however, some tones which become acknowledged by many as being pleasing and therefore "good," but there will always be those who don't like that particular tone at all, and prefer something else entirely.

In my opinion, there is no correlation between technique and tone. I have known personally or known of many guitarists who had excellent clinical technique, but whose tone was lifeless, unpleasant or downright repulsive. Conversely, I've known or known of many guitarists whose technique was self taught and unconventional, but whose tone was anything from really good to legendary.

It's my belief that good tone is that which most effectively voices the emotional content of the playing, in such a way as to highlight the character of the phrasing and melodic pallette. In this way, a player's tone is a major contributing factor to their "voice" through the guitar. Each player will have a different set of criteria for the sound they want to produce. In my own case, the criteria is beauty. I am constantly on the search for beauty through the tone of the guitar, amp and other equipment. Even if the sound is being wildly overdriven or distorted, I am still looking for sonic beauty in it. But again, just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, sonic beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

I personally believe that good tone starts in the heart and the imagination of the player, and then makes its way through the hands, through the choices of equipment which promote its path, and out into the world, hopefully into the ears, heart, mind and soul of the listener.



Cheers........................wahwah
 
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a little philosophical wah wah, but good contribution. i was looking for something a little more descriptive in terms of tone. what do you like in a guitar tone that sounds appealing to you? do you like edgy sharp tones or fat round ones, or do you like either depending on what music you're playing? you know, something like htat maybe.
 
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Ok, gotcha. Personally, the philosophy of tone is the starting point, but I understand that you are looking for "real world" definitions! I started tweaking 30 years ago, so sometimes I forget the earlier stages.

I'm blessed to have a truly beautiful 1968 Strat that I've been playing since 1981. It has taught me a lot about tone by providing me with an excellent starting point. The keyword would be warmth. For guitar, warmth is in the mids. The midrange is the guitar's natural forte, so I always accentuate the midrange. This places the guitar between the bass and the vocals, which is its rightful place. I avoid extreme top end, because it not only competes with the clarity of the vocals, but it also becomes fatiguing very quickly. Similarly, I avoid extreme bottom end, because it competes with the bass and tends to turn a mix into mud. I realize that this may be desirable with certain music styles and with detuning, but then I often hear the bass struggling to be coherent in those styles.

Within those broad guidelines, there are so many variables that it can be difficult to define with words. For example, "midrange" can cover everything from 250Hz to 5kHz, which is a broad range of frequencies. The type of mids I'm referring to would be in the 600Hz - 1.5kHz range. 2.5kHz is renowned for causing pain at high volumes, so I'm wanting to start rolling off by then, with hardly anything going on at all by the time I get to 6kHz. I look at 4kHz as being "top end" for guitar. Similarly, I don't want much of what's going on at 100Hz in my sound, because it's getting in amongst the bass frequencies and will turn to mush in a mix.

The rest of the equation could probably be better described as timbre, and that involves the many variables which range from woods to pickups to tubes to circuitry to speakers, eg "Marshall tone," Fender tone," etc. At that point, words become relatively inefficient as descriptive tools, which is where sound clips come in!



Cheers.............................wahwah
 
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how would you translate the hz/khz with the knobs on an amp (for us mere mortals)?
 
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GOOD TONE IS EVERY CLIP I'VE EVER RECORDED.



:D



I'm kidding. I am proud of lots of them, but some, not so much.

Anyway....good tone is whatever you think sounds good, I guess. It's going to vary so wildly from genre to genre & from ear to ear...about the only constant, IMO, is that mids are good, scoop is bad.
 
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to me, a lot of low end, not boomy. good highs and ok mids to get through. plwnty of distortion but not over saturated so it sounds like msuh suring fast riffs. leads, more mids ok bass, and good highs! i love searching for guitar tone.
 
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Whatever sounds good to you &, to an extent, to the listeners, live, studio, always in the situation.
 
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how would you translate the hz/khz with the knobs on an amp (for us mere mortals)?

It varies from amp to amp, and from circuit to circuit, but generally an amp's tone controls are designed to cover a broad bandwidth of frequencies rather than focusing on specific frequencies. To do that properly you would need a parametric equalizer. In a broad sense, you could look at the bass controls on an amp covering the range from 100 - 300Hz, mids covering from around 400 - 2kHz, treble from 1 - 4kHz and presence from 4 - 8kHz. Again, these crossover points will vary from amp to amp, but this gives you the general idea. With some amps, these controls become interdependent. Other factors then come into play, like tubes, speakers, cabinets, etc. As you would no doubt have noticed, some amps are inherently boomy, others are inherently "middly" (classic Marshalls) and some are inherently bright (Laney). Therefore the same settings will yield different results on different amps. That's where the philosophy of tone comes in, and why I am suggesting that even before we start tweaking, we need to have a goal tone in our imagination that we are shooting for.



Cheers...........................wahwah
 
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thanks, that's good information, but can i find out these ranges from the internet with the make/model number or something?
 
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thanks, that's good information, but can i find out these ranges from the internet with the make/model number or something?

Look at MXR 10 band equalizers knobs.Those are the most critical Frequencies on guitars!

The definition of good tone is somehow impossible to describe.Alltough there are tons of songs that i like ,many of them have a terrible tone wich i would never ever use.This reminds me that playing a tone and listening to it are two totally different things!

For example ,i am a person with a bassy ear.It means i hear too much bass ,and that makes my tone mostly "bright" since i dime the bass more than others.So a perfect tone for my ears has less bass than many of us would like to have.
Even the air pressure on your ears change the feeling of the tone.The room ,Humidity ,speakers and your position to them.

And for the final ,i allways try to separate the frequencies between guitar , bass and drums!The best tone would give you the feeling you want ,the most inspiration possible ,and the best teamwork with the other instruments.
 
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thanks, that's good information, but can i find out these ranges from the internet with the make/model number or something?

Not that I'm aware of. Amp designers don't usually go into that sort of detail in their descriptions, they just present their amps as they are, with these broad range controls, which tends to suit the guitar playing fraternity because it keeps things simple. This is why the search for tone involves playing through lots of different amps to find what speaks to you. Even though music and tone can be quantified to a certain degree in scientific terms, there are also many mysterious factors to both which defy classification in scientific terms. I have found that certain types of tones and playing styles can evoke quite powerful feelings and emotions which cannot be crunched down to a set of definable values. This is a part of the personal search for your own "voice."

One of the most interesting quantum leaps I've had in terms of tone happened 10 years into my professional playing career. I came across a custom amp builder, who I worked with in designing an amp which I still use to this day. It is a 100w, 2x12 combo with a preamp circuit based on a tweed Fender Bassman, but with an 4 x EL34 power stage. After years of playing Marshalls, this amp was incredibly confronting and unforgiving. It offered no smearing of sloppy playing, so if you played crap, it just came out as really loud crap. If you played sweetly with a broad dynamic, it delivered the most breathtaking and glorious tone I had ever heard. I thought I knew a few things about tone until I started playing through this amp, but it took me to a completely different level of understanding of both tone and accuracy in my playing approach. This amp was teaching me stuff, and prepared me for another quantum leap 5 years later when I found my beloved Fender Super Champ, which took me through the whole process again. It happened again when I discovered 1950's RCA blackplate tubes. That was 4 years ago, and I'm looking forward to the next set of lessons which good equipment can teach me.

All of this feeds back into my career, and continues to develop my ear for tone. The strangest phenomenon is that now I find that I am able to produce this kind of tone from a broad array of equipment, including other people's rigs, hire amps that I might use for one show, and guitars and amps that shouldn't by rights produce those tones. It's like I'm willing the equipment to produce those tones, and it does. This is what leads me to believe that tone begins in the heart and imagination., which seems like esoteric metaphysics, but is very real to me. Regardless, the first steps involve lots of experimentation to find the pieces of equipment which come along to be our teachers!



Cheers.............................wahwah
 
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yeah, who would have known that wah wah is like a technical bad-ass. great going wah wah, i've learned quite a bit from you. thanks for taking the time to post this information for us man :notworthy
 
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Any tone that doesn't detract from the overall production/quality of the song/rest of tracks. It may not be AMAZING, but if it fits the mix and doesn't stick out as something really bad or obnoxious, it's good tone to me.
 
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He recognizes amazing guitar talent when he hears it, too. :D

Nobody can really take credit for recognizing your genius CGord...all it takes is ears...


Cheers..........................wahwah
 
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What kevorkian said is true. same goes for the rest of the bros here. but no one answered the question though.

Even though i dont like labeling music it is a necessity. in metal rythms i like that terry syrek/dimebag darrell tone. not overly bright, but slashing, thumping and crunchy and completely in your face. I don't like it when a guy plays a grindcore riff with a wimpy sounding tone. That said, that sound only works for that i'd say.

For metal leads i love the sound dave murray and adrian smith get....i dont like most "modern" metal sounds really...like matt and jon from shadows fall. those guys just kick ass but i seriously dislike their tone. same goes for most bands out there. From dragonforce to lamb of god to children of bodom to cradle of filth to gorgoroth. None of those guys have what i would call good tone. good music? sure, but their tones, at least to my ear, are terrible. and no its not the emgs, or whatever anyone wants to atribute it to. these guys use gear as varied as mahog guitars with 59s to alder neck throughs with EMGs with amps from rectos to jcm 2000s and they all sound bad to me. and if they dont sound bad, then they dont sound exceptional to me.

its kinda weird i have such a fascination with dimebag darrells tone, because he is the anti everything of what my ears would consider good tone. I just remembered listening to pantera for the first time and remembering that mean as hell guitar.

its funny but to me the music is what makes the tone so amazing..EVH in You Really Got Me, Slash when he's riffing most of the time, eric johnson in cliffs of dover, vai in for the love of god, bad horsie and tender surrender, joe satriani's slick, jimi hendrix's little wing and voodo child, dimebag in cowboys from hell, throes of rejection and 5 minutes alone, dave murray in TNOTB, Ace Frehley in the riff from Calling Dr. Love, John Sykes and Vandenberg (i think) in still of the night, most Slipknot songs...

the tone really needs to compliment the playing. No matter how good a tone is, when you remember a riff sing the notes, but you dont dial in an EQ in your head
 
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