What is Pete Willis playing in this video?

I respect Clark's legacy as much as anyone, but saying he wrote most of their music is just incorrect. He wrote more in the early days (so did Willis and Rick Savage, actually), but as his alcoholism progressed and the band lineup changed, a lot of the music started to be written by Collen, Joe Elliott, Savage, and Mutt Lange. On Hysteria, Clark wrote "Gods of War" and contributed parts to other songs, just like the other band members and Lange. But the album was a super-collaborative process. "Pour Some Sugar On Me" was Elliott-Lange for the most part. Savage, Clark, and Collen each came up with different parts of "Hysteria."

As for Clark's alcoholism, they had given him time off to get himself together in the months before he died, because his drinking had made him functionally unable to contribute to the band. Willis, by contrast and to hear the rest of the band tell it, was a mean drunk. Clark wasn't mean or confrontational; he just quietly drank himself to death. Very sad.

Ive seen Collen himself say Steve wrote most of the music and the only lineup change during Steve's Tenure was Willis out & Collen in. You can also see the band didn't really do much the last 30 years compared to the first 20.
We all have our opines don't we ?
Collen is a pretty weak guitarist IMO never have cared much for his playing.
Leppard was good until they wern't.
They started with a AC/DC & Zeppelin kinda vibe and somehow morphed into a teenie-pop nipple glam band.

 
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Ive seen Collen himself say Steve wrote most of the music and the only lineup change during Steve's Tenure was Willis out & Collen in. You can also see the band didn't really do much the last 30 years compared to the first 20.
We all have our opines don't we ?
Collen is a pretty weak guitarist IMO never have cared much for his playing.
Leppard was good until they wern't.
They started with a AC/DC & Zeppelin kinda vibe and somehow morphed into a teenie-pop nipple glam band.


Collen may say that, though I'd be curious to get a quote on his exact words. Elliott, Savage, and Lange tell a different story. And it's not an opinion, man. Go and look at the songwriting credits for their classic albums. It's common knowledge that Lange had a HUGE influence on every aspect of the band, particularly from Pyromania on. Read the band talking about the making of Hysteria. You'll see just how much of a collaborative effort it was. Willis also had a big influence on the band's sound in the early days. He was a great songwriter and rhythm player in his own right. Most of the backing tracks on Pyromania were his.

Not taking anything away from Clark; he was an important part of their sound. But he wasn't the only part. Vivian Campbell has described him as a great "bits" guy -- that is, he didn't usually bring in complete songs (the odd exception like "Wasted" aside), but he brought in killer riffs and song pieces that the band could use when composing songs.


As for Def Leppard "not doing much" since Hysteria, uh, they've actually produced more albums since then. Obviously they don't sell like they did in the old days, for a variety of reasons, one of them being the death of hard and glam rock in the '90s, the other being the collapse of the traditional music industry and the rise of Spotify, etc. But they have continued to produce. In fact, the 2015 self-titled album is really good. But if you think they turned into a "teen pop nipple glam band," you probably aren't open enough to check them out. For me, Hysteria is the peak of their sound. The song strength, the production, the wonderful interplay between Clark and Collen -- all those inversions and harmonies and supremely memorable solos -- it stands the test of time. I like On Through the Night and High and Dry for what they are, but the band would never have made their mark if they'd stayed in the safe realm of pure hard rock. On Pyro, Hysteria, and Adrenalize, they essentially cemented themselves as Queen meets AC/DC (that's Elliott's description), and it's phenomenal.

They're also still amazing live, and truth be told, part of that is down to Vivian Campbell replacing Clark. Campbell, besides being a superb guitar player, is a stronger backup singer than Clark ever was. So it's a lot more complicated than "Clark was a guitar hero, they'd have been nothing without him." I get the appeal of that narrative; it's just not true, in this instance.
 
People have described him as having a Napoleon or small dog complex. Get him boozed up and he starts barking at everything bigger than him.

Yep. He's since admitted that he couldn't handle the pressure of fame, and if he'd stayed in the band, he might have ended up like Clark (dead). I feel for the guy. Great hard rock rhythm player.
 
I think it is a Melody Maker copy - but don't really know.

I love all the eras of Def Lepp, up through Adrenalize, for different reasons

On Through - GREAT garage style kid band debut. It's their "Too Fast for Love" and just as good, except they were half Motley Crue's age!
High & Dry - Great hard rock album
Pyromania - Excellent AOR/Hard rock album with pop sensibility
Hysteria/Adrenalize - Epic production of Pop-Rock songs
 
The is the UK version of the Me and My WIne video. People have commented on how bad Steve looks, he even falls over at one point. There is another video where the whole band is drunk I can't think of it right now. They did the video after an award show.


This video started me jonesing for a Cadillac. Burgundy three pickup shrimp fork headstock Cadillac with Kahler.

Crumpled on floor w/ GAS pain....
 
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Would Leppard have ended up as famous?

No way of knowing. But, I will say that Willis's fingerprints are all over the first three albums, including Pyromania, which was a huge seller, so it's possible. That said, I don't believe he would have fit the Hysteria vibe at all. His stuff was too riffy for what the band and Lange wanted to do with that album. And a lot of the spacey lead work on Hysteria (and all of it on Adrenalize) came from Collen, who has to be given his due for what he brought to the band (as much as he's weirdly hated by certain segments of Leppard fandom).

I also don't think people realize just how much their live shows improved with Collen and then Campbell. Half the work in Leppard is doing the live backing vocals, with all the harmonies, while playing guitar. And they sing a LOT.
 
I think it is a Melody Maker copy - but don't really know.

I love all the eras of Def Lepp, up through Adrenalize, for different reasons

On Through - GREAT garage style kid band debut. It's their "Too Fast for Love" and just as good, except they were half Motley Crue's age!
High & Dry - Great hard rock album
Pyromania - Excellent AOR/Hard rock album with pop sensibility
Hysteria/Adrenalize - Epic production of Pop-Rock songs

Fair assessment. While I prefer Hysteria and Adrenalize, I like the earlier eras too, for similar reasons. There are some total rockers on OTTN, not just the singles, but the deep cuts -- "It Don't Matter" and so on.
 
Yep. He's since admitted that he couldn't handle the pressure of fame, and if he'd stayed in the band, he might have ended up like Clark (dead). I feel for the guy. Great hard rock rhythm player.

I find if he made that comment it is a strange one to make. Pete started another band after DL with Paul Di'Anno, Janick Gers, Neil Murray and Clive Burr called Gogmagog. Horrible, just horrible.

When I saw DL live Pete played as many leads as Steve and he was ripping them up.


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I find if he made that comment it is a strange one to make. Pete started another band after DL with Paul Di'Anno, Janick Gers, Neil Murray and Clive Burr called Gogmagog. Horrible, just horrible.

When I saw DL live Pete played as many leads as Steve and he was ripping them up.


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I don't find it a strange comment to make. He was drinking an unhealthy amount -- whether or not it was dependency or addiction I don't know -- and realized later that staying in Leppard would have been dangerous for him. It's unfortunate that he couldn't stay with them just as they were becoming superstars, but being alive is better than being dead. And agreed that the bands he tried immediately after Leppard were godawful.

Oh yeah, Willis was a great lead player too. I just remember him more for the rock-solid rhythm and the tasty riffs.
 
I don't find it a strange comment to make. He was drinking an unhealthy amount -- whether or not it was dependency or addiction I don't know -- and realized later that staying in Leppard would have been dangerous for him.

I just find it weird he said he couldn't handle the fame then formed two more bands and chased fame. If he walked away from it all I would be able to accept the comment easier.
 
Collen may say that, though I'd be curious to get a quote on his exact words. Elliott, Savage, and Lange tell a different story. And it's not an opinion, man. Go and look at the songwriting credits for their classic albums. It's common knowledge that Lange had a HUGE influence on every aspect of the band, particularly from Pyromania on. Read the band talking about the making of Hysteria. You'll see just how much of a collaborative effort it was. Willis also had a big influence on the band's sound in the early days. He was a great songwriter and rhythm player in his own right. Most of the backing tracks on Pyromania were his.

Not taking anything away from Clark; he was an important part of their sound. But he wasn't the only part. Vivian Campbell has described him as a great "bits" guy -- that is, he didn't usually bring in complete songs (the odd exception like "Wasted" aside), but he brought in killer riffs and song pieces that the band could use when composing songs.


As for Def Leppard "not doing much" since Hysteria, uh, they've actually produced more albums since then. Obviously they don't sell like they did in the old days, for a variety of reasons, one of them being the death of hard and glam rock in the '90s, the other being the collapse of the traditional music industry and the rise of Spotify, etc. But they have continued to produce. In fact, the 2015 self-titled album is really good. But if you think they turned into a "teen pop nipple glam band," you probably aren't open enough to check them out. For me, Hysteria is the peak of their sound. The song strength, the production, the wonderful interplay between Clark and Collen -- all those inversions and harmonies and supremely memorable solos -- it stands the test of time. I like On Through the Night and High and Dry for what they are, but the band would never have made their mark if they'd stayed in the safe realm of pure hard rock. On Pyro, Hysteria, and Adrenalize, they essentially cemented themselves as Queen meets AC/DC (that's Elliott's description), and it's phenomenal.

They're also still amazing live, and truth be told, part of that is down to Vivian Campbell replacing Clark. Campbell, besides being a superb guitar player, is a stronger backup singer than Clark ever was. So it's a lot more complicated than "Clark was a guitar hero, they'd have been nothing without him." I get the appeal of that narrative; it's just not true, in this instance.

Ancient history man. That shit is over 40 years old. You talk like this is breaking news.
I lived all that when it happened.

0.00 fecks given. def had their day in the sun.
Don't go away mad/just go away and take shirtless Phil with you.
 
I don't find it a strange comment to make. He was drinking an unhealthy amount -- whether or not it was dependency or addiction I don't know -- and realized later that staying in Leppard would have been dangerous for him. It's unfortunate that he couldn't stay with them just as they were becoming superstars, but being alive is better than being dead. And agreed that the bands he tried immediately after Leppard were godawful.

Oh yeah, Willis was a great lead player too. I just remember him more for the rock-solid rhythm and the tasty riffs.



"Drinking an un-healthy amount" gee im glad i didn't do that in da 80's.
So did the rest of the planet. I want my MTV.

Its not like they market addictive products or anything.
 
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I just find it weird he said he couldn't handle the fame then formed two more bands and chased fame. If he walked away from it all I would be able to accept the comment easier.

Realizing the depths of one's addiction doesn't always happen overnight. I imagine he tried to carry on with those other bands after getting fired from Leppard, and the realization about his addiction or dependency only kicked in later. I don't even think he's in the music business anymore.
 
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