what makes a flying v special?

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besides looking ****ing awesome, whats special about a v tone wise? are they bright sounding for the most part? sustain? wild? or are they neutral and depend on electronics?

and i mean gibson style v's. rhodes are alright, but i cant stand king v's
 
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Well, just like SGs, all mahogany Gibson V's are quite midrangey and punchy. Most I've played have this really crunchy bite to the bridge pickup that just...well...can't find a better word for it than it rocks!

Edit: It's the sex appeal IMO that makes them special, but the Rhoads takes that rockstar sex appeal and multiplies it thousandfold...
 
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I don't know but I know I like them...and I always have a Gibson V and some other guitar in my arsenal.
 
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The wings make the body more naturally resonant for longer wavelengths of sound, making the guitar naturally louder for lower sound frequencies thus increasing its "I can feel it in my chest!" factor.

It has incredible upper fret access since there's nothing in the way of your hands.

It is the favourite electric guitar of classical players, since it can be played sitting down in the classical position. The flying V shape was in fact inspired by turn of the century parlour guitars that had this body shape. Dean has recently restarted the tradition of making V-shaped acoustic guitars (image).

The original Gibson guitars features a split-headstock, causing the strings to have more downward force on the nut. This increased tuning stability, sustain, and upper mids.

Because V's are top routed, they have the properties of chambered guitars with the pickguard acting as a soundboard. Les Paul originally wanted the flying V to have a pickguard made out of American Spruce wood to capitalize on this property of the guitar, however Gibson decided to go with plastic to cut costs.
 
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Not that I've never owned a V, here are some videos and they're not the best in the world but they feature a previously mentioned but little known guitarist that uses a V on stage..

Interviews with famous rock personalities then the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih93DLXxCHM&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWJoj-sWYvU&feature=related


7-minutes of acoustic guitar and some melodic guitar work…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERnET7SbSXw&feature=related
 
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The wings make the body more naturally resonant for longer wavelengths of sound, making the guitar naturally louder for lower sound frequencies thus increasing its "I can feel it in my chest!" factor.

It has incredible upper fret access since there's nothing in the way of your hands.

It is the favourite electric guitar of classical players, since it can be played sitting down in the classical position. The flying V shape was in fact inspired by turn of the century parlour guitars that had this body shape. Dean has recently restarted the tradition of making V-shaped acoustic guitars (image).

The original Gibson guitars features a split-headstock, causing the strings to have more downward force on the nut. This increased tuning stability, sustain, and upper mids.

Because V's are top routed, they have the properties of chambered guitars with the pickguard acting as a soundboard. Les Paul originally wanted the flying V to have a pickguard made out of American Spruce wood to capitalize on this property of the guitar, however Gibson decided to go with plastic to cut costs.

Wow, that is the most informative and intense explanation I've ever seen written down about a V.
 
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Wow, that is the most informative and intense explanation I've ever seen written down about a V.

There's more to it, but most people wouldn't consider it "scientific". The shape was actually inspired by a symbol from Germanic Paganism known as the Valknutr:

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This is Odin's symbol, and so a guitarist who plays a flying V is (supposedly) in connection with Odin who bestows upon the guitarist his magical golden axe. This is in fact how the term "axe" got to be used as a nickname for guitar. It's also why the original Flying V was a golden or "korina" colour.

Given the culture of the 1950's, you can imagine why the Gibson company wouldn't talk about having "un-Christian" inspiration for their guitar designs. The reverse V is a recent homage to the Pagan roots of the flying V, as it was directly inspired by Germanic cave paintings.

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...thats the coolest thing anyone has ever said about a guitar ever.
 
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Crotch with strings = :headbang:. Who would've thunk that Gibson actually thought up the design - some serious raunch under the overall traditionalist pretence, that time it got out of the closet, along with the Explorer.

Example of the tone: Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" is all V - Kirk's black Gibson and James' white clone. Angsty yet rich in mids.
 
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Someone recently posted a link to a thread explaining the effects of guitar shape on properties such as tone an resonance. IIRC, the Flying V shape offered the most natural projection.

It's funny, for years I thought the Flying V shape was bombastic and cheesy. Now, I find myself yearning for a Flying V. I think Schenker and Albert King have influenced me in this new direction.

- Keith
 
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Wow, that is the most informative and intense explanation I've ever seen written down about a V.

Yes... unfortunately, some parts of it are

A. pure speculation
B. downright false and historically provable to be so.

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The original Gibson guitars features a split-headstock, causing the strings to have more downward force on the nut. This increased tuning stability, sustain, and upper mids.

I´ve never seen a Flying V from any era with a split headstock.. I have however seen both Explorers and Moderne´s with them.... In the Patent documents, the Flying V also has the same "arrowhead" headstock that has become synonymous with it´s design to this day...BTW "Arrowhead" was IIRC the working name for teh flying V until it was finished and named.

More downward force on the nut is not the result of a split headstock, but of an increased headstock angle. Splitting the headstock as Gibson did on the Moderne (if ever actually produced, nobody´s seen an authentic one yet, the last one about 10 years ago went for >350k and was a forgery according to George Gruhn) and the first few Explorers actually makes it more likely for the strings to bind in the nut, becasue they now not only have downward pressure but significant lateral pressure. This lowers tuning stability if anything compared to the more in axis string path of the arrowhead. The angle of 13° was the same for both

This is no more than basic physics, you can`t increase force in a specific direction by adding a force that is working 90° off axis to that direction. Newton just doesn´t roll that way ;)

Because V's are top routed, they have the properties of chambered guitars with the pickguard acting as a soundboard.
By this logic, a strat is an acoustic, becasue there´s significantly more wood missing... But back then one knew less about guitar construction, so some things seemed more important than they were :laugh2:

Les Paul originally wanted the flying V to have a pickguard made out of American Spruce wood to capitalize on this property of the guitar, however Gibson decided to go with plastic to cut costs.

Les Paul had nothing to do with the design of the Flying V, it and the other "modernistic guitars" (Explorer and Moderne) were designed by Ted McCarty. Using plastic to cut costs however is correct, as Gibson wanted to invest as few resources as possible into this idea.

There's more to it, but most people wouldn't consider it "scientific".
I agree, this following part is interesting, but speculative at best... Most of it seems more like coincidence than anything else to me, partly because the history of the Flying V and Explorer was a passion of mine during my training.

The shape was actually inspired by a symbol from Germanic Paganism known as the Valknutr:

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While it may be true, I´d love to know where this came from.. I highly doubt it´s from Ted, and he´s kind of the only one that would know.....

This is Odin's symbol, and so a guitarist who plays a flying V is (supposedly) in connection with Odin who bestows upon the guitarist his magical golden axe. This is in fact how the term "axe" got to be used as a nickname for guitar. It's also why the original Flying V was a golden or "korina" colour.

Actually, it got it´s color because they used the cheapest wood they could find (at the time White Limba) and essentially just clearcoated it. At the time almost all lacquer clearcoats had yellowish tint added to them. And that´s where "korina" came from. Whether or not this route was chosen for it´s golden color and historical significance or because it was simply the cheapest thing to do...I tend to think the latter ;)

The term "Axe" for the guitar predates the Flying V by at least 30 years. Some say it originally comes from a situation where somebody smashed his guitar on a block of wood, others say it comes from a badly batteres jazz box that was missing half it´s body, others still speculate that it comes from a seldom mentioned murder in the 20s where a guitar was used to bludgeon 2 people to death.... Yet others say it´s because the first Fender Esquires /Broadcasters/Nocasters /whateverthefrigtheywerecalled looked as if somebody "had strung up the axe instead of using the tree they felled"

The term didn´t however become widespread until the solidbody electric cought on... coincidentally enough, in the late 50s ;)
 
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theboatcandream said:
..... The reverse V is a recent homage to the Pagan roots of the flying V, as it was directly inspired by Germanic cave paintings.

I would love to know who at Gibson told you that´s where the inspiration came from. It´s not off the wall, even though those drawings and marking have been known for centuries, but I´m very curious as to who would risk their job and career to tell you this piece of internal information... Because anybody else just plain doesn´t know ;)

Knowing also that America today would still be in a large scale uproar if it were the case, I highly doubt that anybody from Gibson would be so stupid so as to allow this information to reach the public. Unless of course they´re starting to follow the DoD method of purposefully giving small pieces of truth to single conspiracy theorists that nobody will believe, so as to mask the fact that it IS very much real and true ;)
 
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^^ sometimes you never know with theboat.. I know I have my problems... And most often the things where I think "He´s got to be joking" are the exact ones where he makes me wish I were still 12 yrs old and stupid enough not to understand what he´s posted :laugh2:
 
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It's punchy and crunchy, and I find it very difficult to get a sound out of it that I don't like. I even like the cleans, which are surprisingly pretty from the 496R and 500T ceramic pickups.

+1. Gibson ceramic PU's really fit the wood & body shape well and make for some great tones. I'd like to see them use PAF's in some of their V models too, for that classic blues/Albert King sound.

BTW, I much prefer the '58 design over the '67.

There's nothing like a V.
 
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****it zerb, dont shatter our dreams like that. im playing a guitar sent my odin, whether you like it or not!

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The wings make the body more naturally resonant for longer wavelengths of sound, making the guitar naturally louder for lower sound frequencies thus increasing its "I can feel it in my chest!" factor.

It has incredible upper fret access since there's nothing in the way of your hands.

It is the favourite electric guitar of classical players, since it can be played sitting down in the classical position. The flying V shape was in fact inspired by turn of the century parlour guitars that had this body shape. Dean has recently restarted the tradition of making V-shaped acoustic guitars (image).

The original Gibson guitars features a split-headstock, causing the strings to have more downward force on the nut. This increased tuning stability, sustain, and upper mids.

Because V's are top routed, they have the properties of chambered guitars with the pickguard acting as a soundboard. Les Paul originally wanted the flying V to have a pickguard made out of American Spruce wood to capitalize on this property of the guitar, however Gibson decided to go with plastic to cut costs.

The best lies have an element of truth to them, don't they?
 
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