What next for Boss Waza series?
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Chistopher
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
I'm thinking either the PH-1 Phaser or SD-2 Dual Overdrive would be cool.
I'm thinking either the PH-1 Phaser or SD-2 Dual Overdrive would be cool.
PFDarkside
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
I agree on the SD-2.
Their formula has been to offer what others are either cloning due to being out of production or modifying. Also I lot of reissue BBD usage.
I wonder if we’ll see:
DS-1w
DD-3w
BF-2w (analog version)
OC-2w
I agree on the SD-2.
Their formula has been to offer what others are either cloning due to being out of production or modifying. Also I lot of reissue BBD usage.
I wonder if we’ll see:
DS-1w
DD-3w
BF-2w (analog version)
OC-2w
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PFDarkside
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PFDarkside
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
Now that’s a question only the player can answer, right?
My understanding is the Waza has an upgraded buffer as well as the Custom mode which is inspired by the many modders out there. Also, the latest SD-1, BD-2 and DS-1 (non-Anniversary) have changed from the old through hole circuits to SMT circuits. It’s a simple circuit, but changes to the layout and component style can cause tonal changes, although they’d be extremely minor I’d think, unless some of the components had to be changed for the SMT version.
Long story short for you, you’d get a lot more bang for the buck buying a few older ones for $30mamd modifying them to the Keeley, Wampler, Analogman specs or one of the plethora of other mods out there now.
Now that’s a question only the player can answer, right?
My understanding is the Waza has an upgraded buffer as well as the Custom mode which is inspired by the many modders out there. Also, the latest SD-1, BD-2 and DS-1 (non-Anniversary) have changed from the old through hole circuits to SMT circuits. It’s a simple circuit, but changes to the layout and component style can cause tonal changes, although they’d be extremely minor I’d think, unless some of the components had to be changed for the SMT version.
Long story short for you, you’d get a lot more bang for the buck buying a few older ones for $30mamd modifying them to the Keeley, Wampler, Analogman specs or one of the plethora of other mods out there now.
dystrust
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
Not that one, but I've had the chance to compare both Metal Zones. In standard mode the Waza Metal Zone has a FAR lower noise floor than its counterpart, and the custom mode is its own cool sound. I've also compared my 1980 CE-2 to its Waza counterpart, and while the new pedal isn't quite as good it's shockingly close. I've been seriously thinking about buying one for my board so I can leave the vintage CE-2 at home.
Not that one, but I've had the chance to compare both Metal Zones. In standard mode the Waza Metal Zone has a FAR lower noise floor than its counterpart, and the custom mode is its own cool sound. I've also compared my 1980 CE-2 to its Waza counterpart, and while the new pedal isn't quite as good it's shockingly close. I've been seriously thinking about buying one for my board so I can leave the vintage CE-2 at home.
devastone
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
Wanting to cash in on the pedal modding market and charge more than the modders, FTW!
Yes, I agree on the buying an old one and modding it myself, or buying a kit and doing my own part substitutions, mostly because laying out my own PCBs is not really cost effective for a few for my own use.
I'm still a Boss fan boy, looking for some Boss singles now.
Thru hole vs SMT, doubt anyone could pick them out in a blind test, the components are the same on the inside. Layout changes, meh, unless they totally screwed it up and broke some basic rules, again, shouldn't affect anything. Upgraded buffers, maybe, but guitar signals are pretty lo-fi, nothing most standard FETs can't handle.Now that’s a question only the player can answer, right?
My understanding is the Waza has an upgraded buffer as well as the Custom mode which is inspired by the many modders out there. Also, the latest SD-1, BD-2 and DS-1 (non-Anniversary) have changed from the old through hole circuits to SMT circuits. It’s a simple circuit, but changes to the layout and component style can cause tonal changes, although they’d be extremely minor I’d think, unless some of the components had to be changed for the SMT version.
Long story short for you, you’d get a lot more bang for the buck buying a few older ones for $30mamd modifying them to the Keeley, Wampler, Analogman specs or one of the plethora of other mods out there now.
Wanting to cash in on the pedal modding market and charge more than the modders, FTW!
Yes, I agree on the buying an old one and modding it myself, or buying a kit and doing my own part substitutions, mostly because laying out my own PCBs is not really cost effective for a few for my own use.
I'm still a Boss fan boy, looking for some Boss singles now.
PFDarkside
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
If you think about it, they’ve made 3rd party Mods much more difficult and offered their own mod in parallel.
I too want to grab a few DS-1s, SD-1s and BD-2s to do some mods to. Little kids make me prioritize free time toward playing instead of soldering.
Yeah, I’m saying if the old one had an opamp or something not available in SMT, that’s a change. Boss engineers are good, they layouts are done well. You also can count on changes due to cost saves/circuit optimization that may or may not affect the tone.
If you think about it, they’ve made 3rd party Mods much more difficult and offered their own mod in parallel.
I too want to grab a few DS-1s, SD-1s and BD-2s to do some mods to. Little kids make me prioritize free time toward playing instead of soldering.
devastone
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
If you can find an old MIJ DS-1, or an early MIT, they are totally different circuits from the new ones, they sound much warmer and I wouldn't consider modding one of those, the BYOC Orange Distortion uses the old chip.
The SD-1s are the same circuit although the new ones may be SMT, not sure, haven't bought a new Boss pedal in a decade or more.
The OD-1 (OOP) had a few major circuit changes in its life.
The OD-3 is a cool pedal and is an all discrete circuit IIRC.
Yeah, I’m saying if the old one had an opamp or something not available in SMT, that’s a change. Boss engineers are good, they layouts are done well. You also can count on changes due to cost saves/circuit optimization that may or may not affect the tone.
If you think about it, they’ve made 3rd party Mods much more difficult and offered their own mod in parallel.
I too want to grab a few DS-1s, SD-1s and BD-2s to do some mods to. Little kids make me prioritize free time toward playing instead of soldering.
If you can find an old MIJ DS-1, or an early MIT, they are totally different circuits from the new ones, they sound much warmer and I wouldn't consider modding one of those, the BYOC Orange Distortion uses the old chip.
The SD-1s are the same circuit although the new ones may be SMT, not sure, haven't bought a new Boss pedal in a decade or more.
The OD-1 (OOP) had a few major circuit changes in its life.
The OD-3 is a cool pedal and is an all discrete circuit IIRC.
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Chistopher
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
So, everybody who has bought a DC-2w, I came across $340 and I think that's a sign to buy one of those baddies. Is it worth it? Give me a breakdown.
So, everybody who has bought a DC-2w, I came across $340 and I think that's a sign to buy one of those baddies. Is it worth it? Give me a breakdown.
Blille
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
They did do a Waza tuner, so they could slap a blue LED here and double the price.
They did do a Waza tuner, so they could slap a blue LED here and double the price.
devastone
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Re: What next for Boss Waza series?
Supposedly better buffer circuitry and it has a TB output.
"Pure, uncolored signal transfer is essential for a tuner, and the TU-3W features redesigned circuitry with selectable buffered or true-bypass operation and the most transparent audio pass-through possible."
Supposedly better buffer circuitry and it has a TB output.
"Pure, uncolored signal transfer is essential for a tuner, and the TU-3W features redesigned circuitry with selectable buffered or true-bypass operation and the most transparent audio pass-through possible."
