what sounds righteous in maple?

iluvburpees

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what bridge humbuckers sound good in maple bodies?

here's the specs of the guitar in question:

Warmoth Super Strat
25.5" scale length
Bolt-on construction
Maple Neck & Fingerboard
Maple Body
OFR
single humbucker at bridge
1 500k vol pot, no tone

I'm looking for something suitable for metal and shred.

any suggestions?

how about these:

JB
Screamin Demon
DMZ Super 3
???

anyone ever heard an EMG 85 in the bridge of a maple body?

thanks!
 
Re: what sounds righteous in maple?

JB + Maple = tonal goodness. In all of the guitars I've played the JB in, my maple Baretta is the one where it sounds the best. Something about the maple properties just meshes really well with the JB.
 
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I have made a bit of research on that and these are my findings:

Seymour Duncan:
PATB-1
PATB-3
JB
Maybe the Invader or the new Alternative 8?
Also Blackouts could be a choice(?)

DiMarzio:
Super 3
Breed
Air Zone would be fire in maple I think
Tone Zone maybe

Bare Knuckle:
Holydiver
Miracle Man (recommended by Tim Mills himself)
Warpig
Ceramic Warpig maybe

Adder Plus:
Persuader Lead Custom (remmended by Adder Plus themselves)
 
Re: what sounds righteous in maple?

what bridge humbuckers sound good in maple bodies?
here's the specs of the guitar in question:
Warmoth Super Strat
25.5" scale length
Bolt-on construction
Maple Neck & Fingerboard
Maple Body
OFR
single humbucker at bridge
1 500k vol pot, no tone
I'm looking for something suitable for metal and shred.
any suggestions?
how about these:
JB
Screamin Demon
DMZ Super 3
???
anyone ever heard an EMG 85 in the bridge of a maple body?
thanks!

I used to have an Ibanez RX240. Maple body, maple neck, rosewood fingerboard.
I tried a JB in it first. It sounded horrible to my ears. So did classic stack plus pickups.
I switched to two Alnico II Pro Staggered and a Custom Custom. Sounded a whole lot better, but maple still lacks deep authoritative lows (at least to my ears). It's like it doesn't have a "man voice" if you know what I mean.
Still, the RX240 was a cheaper guitar, so it's possible that I was hearing the wood and not the pickups, to a degree.
As for the Screamin Demon, supposedly this came installed in some of George Lynch's maple bodied guitars. However, I've never used that pickup at all. Me, I can't stand the sound of maple body guitars in the first place: give me Swamp Ash or Mahogany.
 
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First of all, you have to consider what you are playing through and what you are playing. A super strat, maple body, Marshall and a JB is seriously good. A PATB-1 is very nice also.



Take in consideration that in the previous post "twinreverb" plays through fenders and most likely does not do alot of shred or metal????? Maybe that is what he plays I dont know. Point is, the Fenders are a whole different animal if you are playing that kind of stuff.
 
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Swamp Ash

How can you tell ash apart? You really cant. Look through a good website for high end lumber. You will see nothing listed as "swamp ash" or "northern ash". You will just find "ash". When it comes to music, woods and such have so much BS to it. Limba, its easy to find and aint that expensive. Koa, same way. Honduran Mahogany, you can find it all day long for not that bad of prices either.

Just a FYI.
 
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Take in consideration that in the previous post "twinreverb" plays through fenders and most likely does not do alot of shred or metal????? Maybe that is what he plays I dont know. Point is, the Fenders are a whole different animal if you are playing that kind of stuff.

I play all kinds of stuff, depending on my mood. You can't claim that someone doesn't understand metal just because they don't play it all the time. Besides, you did say "I don't know", which is true: most people don't know what I play, mainly because they haven't taken the time to ask, which I find very ironic. They get mad when others stereotype them based on their gear, yet they stereotype me for my gear.

I find it ironic that people said over and over "play what sounds good to your ears" because they were sick of the stereotypes, yet now these same people stereotype me as not being a metal player because I play a Fender amp.

But since you brought it up, I've said repeatedly that I love versatility. I play my mood. While at church I don't play metal obviously, I play metal at home every once in a while. I play basically everything from jazz to classical guitar to blues to country (old-school, not new-school) to hard rock to metal. My CD collection is everything from John Denver to Vivaldi to Cake to Zeppelin to Metallica, including Disturbed and Deftones.

How can you tell ash apart? You really cant. Look through a good website for high end lumber. You will see nothing listed as "swamp ash" or "northern ash". You will just find "ash". When it comes to music, woods and such have so much BS to it. Limba, its easy to find and aint that expensive. Koa, same way. Honduran Mahogany, you can find it all day long for not that bad of prices either.
Just a FYI.

Wikipedia - Ash Tree

Fraxinus americana: White (hard) Ash
Fraxinus nigra or pennsylvanica: Black or Green (swamp) Ash

People tell them apart by species. Color seems to go with it.

As for woods having BS to it, I cannot agree. I had the same pickups (alnico ii pro staggered neck and middle) in a Lite Ash Stratocaster and an Ibanez RX240. The ones in the Lite Ash sounded much more musical, especially in having more harmonics in the highs and lows. When I owned both, the Lite Ash also responded much better to dynamics, had better harmonics, and dampened less of the low mids and high mids. Swamp Ash sounded very musical. The soft maple of the Ibanez, while it had highs and was crisp in the high range, absolutely blew chunks in the low range and low mids. Now, like I said before: cheap soft maple guitar, so I can't be sure if it was the quality or the wood itself.

We had discussed on the forum not too long ago that it's not just the wood species (although that has a great deal of bearing on it) either: it's where and how it grew. They just discovered that the real secret behind Stradivari's violins, for example, was a very tight, very uniform grain pattern due to the "Little Ice Age". Much less, anyone who's picked up one guitar that's mahogany and another that's more of a "select" mahogany can tell the difference: and price usually follows. So everyone seems to know now that it's not just the species: it's other factors. How did we forget this so quickly?

Bottom line, I think you need a "time out".

For what it's worth, however, you can always EQ the brightness out of the guitar if you're absolutely determined to put a JB in a maple body guitar, for what it's worth....
 
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I have a Fender Custom shop strat. Swamp ash, one piece maple neck and a JB in the bridge. The guitar has a full, punchy woody tone acoustically, but it's a love/hate with that JB pickup. It's just so congested in the mids. It's bloated and almost comical sounding. Has the cool wah sing to it on overdrive, but thats it's one trick-high note solos. I hate it for rhythms, no tightness. I like to play fast and clean stuff (Yngwie type), and notes don't want to keep up,on the JB. But I'm used to single coils or very low output humbuckers that are much tighter and allow more of the guitar's natural tone.

One of the best sounding bridge pickups I've tried is a PAF pro. It's clean and tight, and allows good wood and chops to shine. The more guitars, woods I try/build, the more I really seem to appreciate low output pickups. Amps today have more than enough gain for anything.
 
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Maple guitars often have a very bright top and can be thin on the bottom. Especially hard rock maple. Broadleaf maple is not as bright & edgy.

Great metal & shred pickups for brighter sounding guitars:
The Duncan Blues Trembucker PATB-3,
The original Trembucker, PATB-1.

The Blues TRembucker would be my first choice. Don't let the name fool you. It's definitely a rock pickup.

The Super 3 might be a good choice. I haven't heard it but just going by what I read, it may mellow the high end a bit and fill out the bottom.

I have not had the best luck with the JB regardless what wood the guitar is made of, except in one guitar, and that one has a mahogany body. Maybe the value of the volume & tone pots makes a difference with that one. But you told us you're going with a 500k volume pot. I know the value of the pots can make a difference with any pickup. If you have the time on your hands and wanna try a JB, try it with a 250k pot as well as the 500 and let us know what the difference is in sound.
 
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Maple actually has the most true bass content of all the body woods i've tried. While other woods are richer in low-mids, maple usually has a tight, deep low end.

As far as TR's Ibanez, those guitars are crap, plain and simple.
 
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Maple actually has the most true bass content of all the body woods i've tried. While other woods are richer in low-mids, maple usually has a tight, deep low end.

As far as TR's Ibanez, those guitars are crap, plain and simple.

Then I think I trust your judgment. That's why I was like "well it could be the guitar."

I'll make the mental note not to criticize maple guitars until I try another one that isn't as krappy.

For what it's worth, you got any recommendations as to what production maple guitar to try out, in the interest of purging my mind of a bad preconception based on a krappy guitar? :D
 
Re: what sounds righteous in maple?

i was thinking something similar, a maple on maple on maple strat with a floyd and a HSH control layout. anyone got any ideas for a neck humbucker and a middle single coil too?
 
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If you're ever in my little corner of Texas, you're welcome to try my Carvin (PATB-1n/PATB-3b).

As far as production axes go, the only thing coming to my mind is Lynch's ESP and perhaps some Rics.
 
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one may tell hard ash from swamp ash( northern/southern repsectively) by weight. Hard Ash will weigh in *over 5 LBs., while Southern Swamp ash will weigh in *under 5lbs. for a general all purpose guidleine.
.The Maple also has a strain called "big leaf" which has different and more tonally conduscive properties as opposed to the Soft or Hard maple varieites.
I agree with waht some have said. The JB really seems to work with Maple for some reason. You can also choose the diMarzio SuperDistortion , or the Air Classic/ Air Norton combo.

* edited- oo[ps sorry.
 
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I have a Dimarzio Megadrive in a maple neck, hard ash bodied strat and it sounds really good. I have had problems finding a pickup for that guitar and the Megadrive suits it best.
 
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Big leaf maple is soft maple, eastern hardrock maple is what's used for necks. Godin uses big leaf maple for some nice guitars, though I suspect that they are more concious of the quality of their woods than Ibanez is about their lower end models.

BTW, northern hard ash is heavier than swamp ash, as a general rule.
 
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For what its worth, I have had a JB in the tail of one of my Strats for quite a few years. Granted, my Strat is Alder, but I have done a lot of bridge work on this guitar with dramatically different results every time. First, I blocked the stock Strat bridge; the JB became muddy and less articulate than with the standard spring pressure holding the trem against the body. Next, I adjusted the trem so it floated a 1/16" off the body and added an extra spring (4 total); the dynamics returned and the second harmonic raised in intensity. I recently changed out the bridge for a Kahler Hybrid; now I have more clean headroom than I want. My favorite JB tone was definitely with the stock bridge raised. All in all, I was amazed at how much difference messing with the bridge made tonally.

Before you give up on your guitar...experiment with the setup.
 
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