what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

[PVFan]

1. not a V30, I've done that to death.
2. not a Swamp Thang, that's going in the Avatar 112 I got today.

Would like 2 or 3 times the power handling of the T-75, so, looking at around 200 to 300 watts incl the 75 I have already. That would be around the same as my Uberkab in total, but in a 212 instead, with half the number of speakers doing twice the work--that's the idea anyhow.

you know how the T-75 acts as the "good cop" when paired with Vintage 30s in a good-cop/bad-cop X-pattern ? Well, same idear here, 'ceptin' the T-75 will be the "bad cop" in thissun here.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

I'd say a G12H, but I don't believe it handles that much wattage.

 

[LuredMaul]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

you need an Eminence Man O War (G12t-75 equiv at 120w RMS)
And a Swamp Thang at 150w RMS.

That'd kill yer face.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Celestion K-100. I think it's probably the least known Celestion, because of it's 100W rating, but it sounds great.

 

[JOEBACCA]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Trying to move some more air with your ZT I take it?
How bout this
http://www.eminence.com/guitar_speaker_detail.asp?model=COMMONWEALTH12&speaker_size=12&SUB_CAT_ID=4

Or possibly this
http://www.eminence.com/guitar_speaker_detail.asp?model=TEXASHEAT&speaker_size=12&SUB_CAT_ID=4

 

[PVFan]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Trying to move some more air with your ZT I take it?
How bout this
http://www.eminence.com/guitar_speaker_detail.asp?model=COMMONWEALTH12&speaker_size=12&SUB_CAT_ID=4

Or possibly this
http://www.eminence.com/guitar_speaker_detail.asp?model=TEXASHEAT&speaker_size=12&SUB_CAT_ID=4

yep, considering both the Commonwealth & Texas Heat already, and the K-100 GearHo suggested.

waitin for somebody who's used high-powered guitar speakers a lot to give me a rabid recommendation. It's weird that I've never looked at speakers in this wattage before ... always had the usual suspects ....



edit: and not just "move more air" but also handle the power that little ZT puts out ! don't wanna blow up any speakers !

man what a fun amp to play ....

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Forgot to add a link. I don't have any first hand experience, but I'd love to try a cab loaded with them.

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Celestion-G12K100-Guitar-Speaker?sku=660268

 

[cakire82]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Celestion K-100. I think it's probably the least known Celestion, because of it's 100W rating, but it sounds great.

Great suggestion. They only come in 8ohms though. Its eminence equivalent The Tonker comes in 8 and 16ohms with 150W power handling.

 

[tonefreak1527]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

commonwealth /thread

 

[Van Noord]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

You know of course that no matter what higher wattage speaker you pair with the T75, your 2x12 will still have a handling capability of 150 watts, right?
A 200+ watt speaker will only peak at 75 watts, so that's a lot of unused watts left in that speaker. This might result in the speaker not flexing as much as you would like, thus not adding much of it's character.
Just putting that out there.

 

[Tom Huff]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Thanks Van Noord for stating that. I was just about to post that.

On the other hand, if the OP is not married to the G12T-75, two Emi Delta Pro-12As would kick major ass but might be too sterile for an SS head design. It would definitely require testing.

 

[PVFan]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

so you guys are saying that speakers in series will only work as much and have as much output as the weakest link in the chain? a 400w speaker + a 75w speaker would produce a max 75w each, for a total of 150w ?

what if I wired it in parallel? [EDIT: guess it's hard to have 2 speakers in parallel, huh? I'm an idiot.] or, I could leave them stereo, or yank the 75 and put it in something else. But if I paired the 75 with a K-100 (in series), that might be the kind of thing I'm aiming for, since they're closer together in wattage. Like, V30s and T75s are closer in wattage, 15 watts apart. Much closer than 75 and 150 watts, twice as much! ... and I was attempting to have the same fullness ya get with a V30/T75 4x12 X-pattern thing, but with bigger speakers -- since there are half as many of them in a 2x12. So, maybe a T75 and K100 would be better cuz they're closer to the same output ????

I have this 2x12 already, and I found out the other speaker is dead. But it's only a Celestion V12-60 Silver Series, those aren't that spectacular are they? It's a cool 212.

 

[Boogie Bill]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

EVM.

Bill

 

[JOEBACCA]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

If you want the proper wattage handling you might want to sell the g12t-75 and use the money towards any of the higher wattage Eminence's such as the Commonwealth, Texas Heat, Manowar, or Tonker....plus Emi's can be had for cheap and are made in the USA..... sounds like a no brainer to me. Check out some demo's on Utube and see what floats your boat.

 

[PVFan]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

hard to tell from clippiwips.

But anyway, even if it only totals 150w (75+75 in mono) that's okay. I won't know until tomorrow how an un-broken-in Swamp Thang sounds, to see if I like how high-watters feel etc....

here're 24 Emis compared, the C-Wealth seemed bright-ish and under-driven, I liked one of the higher-watted Legends, and the Swamp Thang (gets here tomorrow) the most:

 

[greatbob6]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

so you guys are saying that speakers in series will only work as much and have as much output as the weakest link in the chain? a 400w speaker + a 75w speaker would produce a max 75w each, for a total of 150w ?

In series the max power handling is that of the weakest link, so in this case 75w. In parallel (which is typically how most 2x12's seem to be wired in my experience) the max power handling would be twice that of the weakest link, so if the T75 is the lowest then it would be a max of 150w.

Plus, I believe the actual output of the speaker has more to do with the efficiency of the speaker than its power handling. The wattage rating has to do with how much power it can handle without damaging the speaker, not necessarily how loud it is.

 

[PVFan]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

In series the max power handling is that of the weakest link, so in this case 75w. In parallel (which is typically how most 2x12's seem to be wired in my experience) the max power handling would be twice that of the weakest link, so if the T75 is the lowest then it would be a max of 150w.

Plus, I believe the actual output of the speaker has more to do with the efficiency of the speaker than its power handling. The wattage rating has to do with how much power it can handle without damaging the speaker, not necessarily how loud it is.

quote: "The wattage rating has to do with how much power it can handle without damaging the speaker"

yes, this is the biggest reason I am asking specifically about high-powered ones, for 2 ZT amps in stereo, each with these specs:

120w rms
180w sustained average music
220w musical peak
221w max instantaneous peak

the ZT roars out of my 270 watt Bogner cab. It feels a little constipated out of a single T-75 speaker, but sounded great as heck with a Vox 112 cube w/ much smaller Greenback. I am trying to have power handling overhead, but not so much that my tone is clanky.

 

[mwalluk]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

Celestion CLassic Lead 80. 80 watts. Plays good cop.

 

[Van Noord]

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celestion classic lead 80. 80 watts. Plays good cop.

+1

 

[PVFan]

Re: what speaker would pair up well with a G12T-75 in a vertical slant 212

thought about the Lead 80. I didn't like it in Fender's Bandmaster VM 2x12 complement. Switching to any cab to the left or right of it was an improvement. Seemed really loose with the bass end.

the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the K-100 & T-75 together, on paper.