What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
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LtKojak
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Adding that the committees had no knowledge whatsoever of how a magnetic p'up really works.
This thread is not helpful if the main culprits are not included on the poll.
This.
Adding that the committees had no knowledge whatsoever of how a magnetic p'up really works.
This thread is not helpful if the main culprits are not included on the poll.
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Funkfingers
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Too many conflicting ideas, all hoping to squeeze into a single pickup design.
IMO, there were enough valid ideas to arrive at more than one final pickup. The different schools of thought could/should have helped their preferred design(s) get made by fronting up a non-refundable deposit.
Too many conflicting ideas, all hoping to squeeze into a single pickup design.
IMO, there were enough valid ideas to arrive at more than one final pickup. The different schools of thought could/should have helped their preferred design(s) get made by fronting up a non-refundable deposit.
Masta' C
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Useless poll is useless. Useless thread is useless.
4 poll options regarding the fitment? Your bias is showing. (Did you design the original Fugly polls, too?)
Also, there have been multiple design attempts since then. Wouldn't it be more prudent to focus on what went wrong with those? At least the Fuglies made it into production!
Useless poll is useless. Useless thread is useless.
4 poll options regarding the fitment? Your bias is showing. (Did you design the original Fugly polls, too?)
Also, there have been multiple design attempts since then. Wouldn't it be more prudent to focus on what went wrong with those? At least the Fuglies made it into production!
d1dsj
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
I followed with interest for a while and it just went south for me with all the bickering and people with no real knowledge of what will and what won't work having their say. I personally know nothing of pick up design and if I'm honest I just lay back and take note of what the likes of GJ, Rick, Pepe, FF and a few other knowledgable guys say. I think a committee could work and we could vote a handful of people to take control and make reasonable sense of what is wanted and what will work. That is of course assuming anyone would want to take it on, but at least I'd have more confidence is getting something that will work.
I followed with interest for a while and it just went south for me with all the bickering and people with no real knowledge of what will and what won't work having their say. I personally know nothing of pick up design and if I'm honest I just lay back and take note of what the likes of GJ, Rick, Pepe, FF and a few other knowledgable guys say. I think a committee could work and we could vote a handful of people to take control and make reasonable sense of what is wanted and what will work. That is of course assuming anyone would want to take it on, but at least I'd have more confidence is getting something that will work.
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Funkfingers
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Thank you but, if you read through the forum pickup threads that culminated in the Fuglybucker, I am conspicuous by my absence. As soon as a Telecaster/Esquire style single coil was voted out, I took no further active part.
Thank you but, if you read through the forum pickup threads that culminated in the Fuglybucker, I am conspicuous by my absence. As soon as a Telecaster/Esquire style single coil was voted out, I took no further active part.
d1dsj
Cornographer
Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Yes I know that, but my point is that there are a few on here (you included) who I think know enough about pick ups and gear in general to be able to make a pick up that will at least sound good. I, for example, know what I like but don't have real world knowledge and experience like a lot of folk on here, that's why I sit back quietly and try to learn rather than thinking I know best.
Yes I know that, but my point is that there are a few on here (you included) who I think know enough about pick ups and gear in general to be able to make a pick up that will at least sound good. I, for example, know what I like but don't have real world knowledge and experience like a lot of folk on here, that's why I sit back quietly and try to learn rather than thinking I know best.
ItsaBass
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
There was just no point to making it IMO. Even if it had been an outstanding pickup in terms of tone, there are certainly other ways to get what it provided, without looking dumb and spending boutique prices doing it. Even if the thing was given to me for free, I'd likely never put it in one of my guitars that I actually play in public, on the basis of looks alone. And I'd CERTAINLY never have paid the going price at the time. I'd probably have bitten out of curiosity if the price had been $50, but no more.
So in summary:
– Seemed like it was pointless/nothing special
– Ugly; I just couldn't bring myself to actually put one in one of my axes
– Expensive, even with the Forum discount
The fundamental problem was that voting usually doesn't give a good result unless a large amount of the voter pool is intelligent, thoughtful, and has good taste in stuff. Garbage in; garbage out. That's what happened with this pickup. We are all a bunch of stranger guitar nerds surfing the Internet. It's the kind of group you bull**** and talk crap with, not the kind of group you enlist to actually accomplish anything of real-world substance.
There was just no point to making it IMO. Even if it had been an outstanding pickup in terms of tone, there are certainly other ways to get what it provided, without looking dumb and spending boutique prices doing it. Even if the thing was given to me for free, I'd likely never put it in one of my guitars that I actually play in public, on the basis of looks alone. And I'd CERTAINLY never have paid the going price at the time. I'd probably have bitten out of curiosity if the price had been $50, but no more.
So in summary:
– Seemed like it was pointless/nothing special
– Ugly; I just couldn't bring myself to actually put one in one of my axes
– Expensive, even with the Forum discount
The fundamental problem was that voting usually doesn't give a good result unless a large amount of the voter pool is intelligent, thoughtful, and has good taste in stuff. Garbage in; garbage out. That's what happened with this pickup. We are all a bunch of stranger guitar nerds surfing the Internet. It's the kind of group you bull**** and talk crap with, not the kind of group you enlist to actually accomplish anything of real-world substance.
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Seriously, just read through all the threads for it.
This one really says a lot:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?244372-User-Group-Pickup-Specs-Poll-4
It was the precursor of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/boaty-mcboatface-britain-democracy/479088/
I think I had mentioned that people were designing with their eyes, not their ears. Again, I didn't have a real problem with the appearance. I've made a number of hybrids with one rail coil and one screw coil. The *idea* behind the hybrids I put together was to create a sound based on what I liked about the individual *existing* pickups. Then I tweaked with magnets. We have people at SD that can make any humbucker sound like anything, and the people designing the "specs" of the pickup were trying to take control over every aspect of the process, which is why I said that people should have to put a deposit down before they get involved in the design process.
Seriously, just read through all the threads for it.
This one really says a lot:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?244372-User-Group-Pickup-Specs-Poll-4
It was the precursor of this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/boaty-mcboatface-britain-democracy/479088/
article said:
I think I had mentioned that people were designing with their eyes, not their ears. Again, I didn't have a real problem with the appearance. I've made a number of hybrids with one rail coil and one screw coil. The *idea* behind the hybrids I put together was to create a sound based on what I liked about the individual *existing* pickups. Then I tweaked with magnets. We have people at SD that can make any humbucker sound like anything, and the people designing the "specs" of the pickup were trying to take control over every aspect of the process, which is why I said that people should have to put a deposit down before they get involved in the design process.
chadd
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
I don't think a lot of people will plunk down cash for a pickup that may very well turn out to be something that they don't want. If you are going to "pay to play", you might as well just order exactly what you want and cough up a few more bucks.
I don't think a lot of people will plunk down cash for a pickup that may very well turn out to be something that they don't want. If you are going to "pay to play", you might as well just order exactly what you want and cough up a few more bucks.
Condemned soul
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Will we also have a opportunity to vote in a poll that has been designated for the 59/Custom neck pickup?
Will we also have a opportunity to vote in a poll that has been designated for the 59/Custom neck pickup?
LtKojak
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Obviously, it's not the case anymore.
That's because at that time they were Duncan employees that had respect for the people of the SDUGF.
Obviously, it's not the case anymore.
Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
The Fuglybucker was a pickup were the folks at SD tried to make 'our' wishes work. The neck pickup is really good, I have to admit, and after some tweaks, the bridge pickup is now great, too. In short: design by committee was the culprit for the failure.
The Fuglybucker was a pickup were the folks at SD tried to make 'our' wishes work. The neck pickup is really good, I have to admit, and after some tweaks, the bridge pickup is now great, too. In short: design by committee was the culprit for the failure.
treyhaislip
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
It became apparently clear to me from the first couple of polls that the forum pickup was going a direction I would never use nor buy so I quit participating in the discussion.
It became apparently clear to me from the first couple of polls that the forum pickup was going a direction I would never use nor buy so I quit participating in the discussion.
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PFDarkside
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Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Not only design by committee, but that committee is one that is attracted tk shiny things. Almost every vote from the brobucker to the neck hybrid was won by the more "exotic" option. Do we mismatch the coils? Of course! Use an aged magnet? Oh yes! Alnico 8 mag! Anything less would be uncivilized! In previous incarnations, those weren't huge decisions, but for the fugly they were the core of the design.
Not only design by committee, but that committee is one that is attracted tk shiny things. Almost every vote from the brobucker to the neck hybrid was won by the more "exotic" option. Do we mismatch the coils? Of course! Use an aged magnet? Oh yes! Alnico 8 mag! Anything less would be uncivilized! In previous incarnations, those weren't huge decisions, but for the fugly they were the core of the design.
dominus
King Midas to Cheap Guitars
Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
Which is why you start with a *basic* outline and strict guidelines, and *then* people start putting deposits down. That way you keep input down to similar minded individuals.
Which is why you start with a *basic* outline and strict guidelines, and *then* people start putting deposits down. That way you keep input down to similar minded individuals.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: What went wrong with the last Forum Design Pickup (fuglybucker)?
The point of this one is to get a bit more hard data that can actually be used.
(used to give the company some confidence that we can avoid the same mistakes, used for us to see how we screwed up)
If you make me a moderator I'll keep it clean by diverting garbage into its own thread. I hope things don't spill over from the closed thread.
The point of this one is to get a bit more hard data that can actually be used.
(used to give the company some confidence that we can avoid the same mistakes, used for us to see how we screwed up)
If you make me a moderator I'll keep it clean by diverting garbage into its own thread. I hope things don't spill over from the closed thread.
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