what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

U guys , when I started playing there was like Big Muff fuzz ~ my JCM plexi didn't have a master ( so a little inagoddadavida'ish / No Offense to Iron butterfly. now there's that Eddie head with xtra Thunk-a-Chunk resonance . All types of Pickup Choices nowdays , Celestion makes too many models of Speakers and the Pedals ~ whole nother Topic . Oh, No Youtube , We picked everything out from Vinyl or a live show ( try to get Close : ) growing up with Lynch , stealing chops was pretty avvailable though ~ maybe better than Utoob : )
 
Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Frets on the back of the neck, for my thumb maybe....
 
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KNUCKLHEAD said:
U guys , when I started playing there was like Big Muff fuzz ~ my JCM plexi didn't have a master ( so a little inagoddadavida'ish / No Offense to Iron butterfly. now there's that Eddie head with xtra Thunk-a-Chunk resonance . All types of Pickup Choices nowdays , Celestion makes too many models of Speakers and the Pedals ~ whole nother Topic . Oh, No Youtube , We picked everything out from Vinyl or a live show ( try to get Close : ) growing up with Lynch , stealing chops was pretty avvailable though ~ maybe better than Utoob : )
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I understand. I'm nearly 42 so I own plenty of vinyl. Our first demo was recorded to tape. Things have moved on: I can produce a better sounding demo in my bedroom for no real cost other than the stuff I take on tour. Yes tape is warmer, but I really don't care.

Progress is a good thing provided people don't expect to be able to play and write like EVH when they throw cash at the products.

I'm selling my Big Muff. I'll probably regret that.
 
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Lysergene said:
Fishman fluence use printed coils. They are an innovation. So what if things haven't changed. Do people really run around this forum putting people down for doing something strange and interesting? Sad.
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I'd call it running to stand still. It is an innovation to be sure, nobody but you seems to think anyone is saying otherwise. Just like you seem to think a dose of looking at the big picture or the reality of the guitar indutry is putting someone down.....now this mistake is truly the sad thing.
But when all is said and done, it is what people do that is the true innovation, not what is about.
 
Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Originally Posted by thanaton If this were going to be usable, you'd probably need some sort of drive belt the spin the pickup, as having the motor that close to the pickup would definitely be audible in the form of emi.

LEEVC5
Excellent point. Back to the drawing board... ]
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Adapt one of these. it's a VCR rotaing head. It already has connections between the static body and the head drum.
You'd just have to mount a pickup on it some how. You'd end up with the bottom of it sticking through the back of the guitar, but WTF in the name of science !
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AlexR said:
I'd call it running to stand still. It is an innovation to be sure, nobody but you seems to think anyone is saying otherwise. Just like you seem to think a dose of looking at the big picture or the reality of the guitar indutry is putting someone down.....now this mistake is truly the sad thing.
But when all is said and done, it is what people do that is the true innovation, not what is about.
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I was trying to say that they aren't just another active pickup, because of a comment made by yourself. I was also hilighting the fact that the front end if this thread is basically a debate about whether or not trying something new for the sake of it is worth it and then later on we are told that there has been little innovation since 1960. Seems ironic. I am probably mistaken though, so I apologise.
 
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I like how it creates a lesser heard tone. Obviously the mechanics need some tweaking but I think it's cool.
 
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GoldenVulture said:
Adapt one of these. it's a VCR rotaing head. It already has connections between the static body and the head drum.
You'd just have to mount a pickup on it some how. You'd end up with the bottom of it sticking through the back of the guitar, but WTF in the name of science !
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That is definitely a great idea except I think as thanaton points out the motor may be too close to the pickup resulting in emi noise. I am using a mechanical clock presently and it does spin the pickup but has only one speed. Next step is to get a rotating wire connection built. If the mechanical version yields something worthwhile I will move to a variable electric motor and from there perhaps to a 7.0L LS7.
 
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AlexR said:
Fluence (and all actives) occupy a 'side road' you could say. Its another method to get what we've been getting from passives (essentially) for the last 70 years.

The tone of electric guitar is set. Apart from what Tom Morello has done, the actual artistry side of the guitar hasn't altered much since the mid-late 60's.
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Fishman Fluence is just at the very early stages of what this technology is capable of.

Stacked PCB pickups are definitely not a side road even if they did not take the technology any further.

Think about it, the cost of building a stacked PCB pup vs a wound pup. Excluding amortization of NRE costs and putting current PCB cost on a learning curve I would guess their cost is would be less than 30% of what a wound pup costs.
 
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The head drum already has some " head units " in it for retrieving the magnetic field off tape. I think you'll find the design of the motor and supporting system are such that noise is reduced to a minimum as to not affect the signal retrieval. These things are designed by engineers....:friday:
 
Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

The guitar universe is unique. We don't believe in innovation/ progress. Take a look inside your tube amp for proof.
 
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Even if the quest is to discover a new tone, why would anyone want to look like brain aneurysm on stage with that thing? The choice of pickups, wiring, pedals, amps is too overwhelming.
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
Even if the quest is to discover a new tone, why would anyone want to look like brain aneurysm on stage with that thing? The choice of pickups, wiring, pedals, amps is too overwhelming.
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Th, th, that's all folks. I been reported for making inappropriate comments. If this is kindergarten then enjoy but for me there are other forums that have adult members.
 
Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

You can test how much emi you will pick up from the motor by just holding a connected pickup close to the spinning motor as though it were all mounted, and listening to the result.

I don't know much about the coil of a tape head, but I'd assume that it's low impedance compared to a guitar pickup, and therefore never nearly as susceptible to emi.
 
Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

leevc5 said:
Fishman Fluence is just at the very early stages of what this technology is capable of.

Stacked PCB pickups are definitely not a side road even if they did not take the technology any further.

Think about it, the cost of building a stacked PCB pup vs a wound pup. Excluding amortization of NRE costs and putting current PCB cost on a learning curve I would guess their cost is would be less than 30% of what a wound pup costs.
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You have to remember that the most expensive part is apparently the AlNiCo pole pieces, and even the Fluences contain AlNiCo pole pieces, so there is a price floor that has essentially already been reached, for all intents and purposes. I think it requires a very particular player who is will to deal with batteries. There are a lot of on-board electronics that could be theoretically incorporated directly into a guitar, but the luxury of simply plugging in and forgetting about it, of keeping things simple, all the while achieving vintage correct tone, is just too perfect as it is for the vast majority of guitarists to pass up, regardless of cost.

I think the spinning pickup concept would appeal to "showman" guitarists who want to look a little goofy while creating a unique sound. It would not appeal to the mainstream. History has proven as much.
 
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leevc5 said:
Th, th, that's all folks. I been reported for making inappropriate comments. If this is kindergarten then enjoy but for me there are other forums that have adult members.
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Really ? What did you utter Dimarzio or something ?:scratchch
 
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