what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

[frankfalbo]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Man thats really hard to read with no punctuation.

Yes, Fluence technology was featured in Popular Science, I was one of the people they interviewed.

Since you've emboldened "secrets" I'll just take a moment to say yes, there are tons of trade secrets in this business. and because I have been, and continue to be a part of R&D I'm not only under contract, but I have a high degree of respect for companies to be allowed to have trade secrets. Meaning if they've done the R&D for their own edification, the results are theirs to benefit from.

 

[johnstone]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Man thats really hard to read with no punctuation.

Yes, Fluence technology was featured in Popular Science, I was one of the people they interviewed.

Since you've emboldened "secrets" I'll just take a moment to say yes, there are tons of trade secrets in this business. and because I have been, and continue to be a part of R&D I'm not only under contract, but I have a high degree of respect for companies to be allowed to have trade secrets. Meaning if they've done the R&D for their own edification, the results are theirs to benefit from.

I still don't believe in secret pickups don't tell me the secret because you of course would be in big trouble if you did but tell me an example about a secret Seth lover pickup.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

I still don't believe in secret pickups don't tell me the secret because you of course would be in big trouble if you did but tell me an example about a secret Seth lover pickup.

Well, one famous trade secret is 'what exact color are "cream" bobbins that no one else in the US pickup industry is allowed to sell?"

 

[thanaton]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Rhetorical or not, you're speaking about a lot of things you can't possibly have had first-hand experience with. Fluence cores especially, since they are proprietary and very well patent protected. So all I said was that Alnico magnets aren't the most expensive part of a pickup, labor is, and you brought up China.

Now you're questioning whether guitar players will buy a Chinese pickup over Fluence, in a way that you're admit painting a disparaging premise. So we all get it now. "You don't like Fluence, or something about it (or me for that matter) bothers you." Great. Duly noted.

leevc5 originally mentioned that PCB pickups could reduce the cost of pickup manufacture. There is no reason to exclude Chinese labor costs from that discussion. It is not disparaging, it is just a fact.

I have no problem with the Fluence, as such. We could be talking about any affordable PCB based active pickup, and my point of view would be the same.

On this you and I are making the same point. The SSL-5 tapped is not a surrogate for an SSL-1. We agree that tapped coils are tethered to the properties of the initial coil wind, up to the first tap. So if you started with an SSL-1, and then went hotter from there, you are limited by the physical space left on the bobbin. Fluence does not have any of those limitations. But for example what I'm saying is that you can't get from an SSL-1 to an SSL-5 or SSL-3 with a coil tapped pickup. It's a mechanical limitation.

My original example was 5.5k and 6.5k. There is no physical limitation there. There are many Strat pickups wound to 6.5k with space to spare.

This statement is false in my experience. Have you actually done it? Have you measured the inductance and resonant peak before and after? Played them for yourself? If you have a connection to a pickup company that is working with coil taps, or if you are a pickup maker you should probably dislcose it. If not, I'll try to keep discussing what I can, if I can, to share my experiences within the scope of trade secrets.

Do trade secrets defy physics? Sometimes, if you want an inductor and all you have is a transformer, you just use one of the two coils as your inductor. The other unused coil, which is not connected to anything, is completely inert for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. Such would be the case four the outer section of unused coil. It sounds like you're basing you opinion on some subjective experience, and not on actual physics.

 

[thanaton]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

What in tarnanation is a inauthentic pickup I know I didnt like the fisman tele pickups but they darn well were pickups and they worked like any other pickup and had there own sound that I didn't like but I have played teles with other pickups I didn't like.

I should say "not vintage correct". They are actually substantially different than vintage pickups. 50's era pickups formed a high impedance, low pass filter that gave them their distinctive sound. Active pickups have to recreate those characteristics with active circuitry, since they don't posses they characteristics otherwise. When you turn down the volume with an active pickup, the tone is retained, and while that is boasted as a feature, it's technically inauthentic behavior, for better or worse.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

I still don't believe in secret pickups don't tell me the secret because you of course would be in big trouble if you did but tell me an example about a secret Seth lover pickup.

.

. John stone , I'll tell U a Seth Lover secret ~ there are No Seth Lover secret pickups only the ones U find for sale but : They wind every Seth Lover humbucker on Seymour’s original Leesona winding machine from the early Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI., for that unmistakable vintage tone and feel. Another overlooked fact is - the sound clips for them are definitely not picked by a super Adept Nashville studio guitarist : )

 

[Lysergene]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

The UK huh you all made the best amp of all time that old marshall jcm 800 just nobody ever dit that good and dyson vacume cleaners darn if they dont pick up more dirt that a naything short of a front end loader I'd like to go over there someday drink some warm beer ande see some castles.

I'm selling my Dyson. It's just collecting dust.

 

[Lysergene]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

I should say "not vintage correct". They are actually substantially different than vintage pickups. 50's era pickups formed a high impedance, low pass filter that gave them their distinctive sound. Active pickups have to recreate those characteristics with active circuitry, since they don't posses they characteristics otherwise. When you turn down the volume with an active pickup, the tone is retained, and while that is boasted as a feature, it's technically inauthentic behavior, for better or worse.

Are the Fluence pups not slightly different from other active pickups in a few ways?

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

What would be the result? No more pick slides for starters.

 

[johnstone]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Rhetorical or not, you're speaking about a lot of things you can't possibly have had first-hand experience with. Fluence cores especially, since they are proprietary and very well patent protected. So all I said was that Alnico magnets aren't the most expensive part of a pickup, labor is, and you brought up China.

Sorry to be such a bother you relly seem tp know your stuf and it is very helfull but just aout of curiosirty could you maybe give a couple of the key patent numbers I would just like to see what is at the heart of the pickups thank you frankfalbo.

 

[LesStrat]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Here we have yet another lengthy thread that defies all logic and refuses expertise on fallacious bases.

Nice.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Here we have yet another lengthy thread that defies all logic and refuses expertise on fallacious bases.

Nice.

tl;dr Par for the course.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Quote Originally Posted by johnstone
The UK huh you all made the best amp of all time that old marshall jcm 800 just nobody ever dit that good and dyson vacume cleaners darn if they dont pick up more dirt that a naything short of a front end loader

<--^ That Head Doesn't work at all for the Standard and Drop Tune stuff we do in My Band , It's like saying there's 1 Best Guitarist in the World . There's No such thing ~ It's just More Idealism ( which is like emotions ) the Truth is Above Idealism , emotion, partiality . Maybe since there are alot of Long time players like Myself here , it would serve U better to say : For Me ( meaning Yourself ) it's the Best amp , or Slash. For me it's a piece of Crap ~ Honestly, mean no offense but true 4 Me.

and from 79 to 1994 a JMP 100w. lead is all I ever played till it Didn't work any longer ( Was not Diverse enough

 

[johnstone]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Quote Originally Posted by johnstone
The UK huh you all made the best amp of all time that old marshall jcm 800 just nobody ever dit that good and dyson vacume cleaners darn if they dont pick up more dirt that a naything short of a front end loader

<--^ That Head Doesn't work at all for the Standard and Drop Tune stuff we do in My Band , It's like saying there's 1 Best Guitarist in the World . There's No such thing ~ It's just More Idealism ( which is like emotions ) the Truth is Above Idealism , emotion, partiality . Maybe since there are alot of Long time players like Myself here , it would serve U better to say : For Me ( meaning Yourself ) it's the Best amp , or Slash. For me it's a piece of Crap ~ Honestly, mean no offense but true 4 Me.

and from 79 to 1994 a JMP 100w. lead is all I ever played till it Didn't work any longer ( Was not Diverse enough

Oky Doky, btw, what is "Truth"? You obviously must know the answer and be able to explain it to a poor foolish county bumpkin like me. How does it feel to sit up there on that high horse, I really would like to know.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

1st. off I'm not Coming at You to attack + I'm Not one of those Ego type of people , I know there are some here ( so dont be Condescending Unduly at me ) . If U will believe me on that 1st. U can hear what I want to tell U . I am just a Blue collar musician that believes in hard work . My Bandmates have always known that of me ~ I wont even hang around the Cosmic ~ Artsy fartsy pain in the ass types of singers and guitarists . I plan and Stash for a new piece of equipment like the other 95% of people around here do . I actually played 2 different marshall heads totaling around 30yrs. I'm just saying there is no Best ~ No best band ( sorry Zep, No best Guitarist ( Sorry Paige <-- not even close Anyway + No Best Amplifier . Mesa Rectifier , Fender Eddie III , B52 AT100 , etc. that work better for me ( as Music is Subjective ~ All of the Arts are ( that's why when ANY musicians I know , go There , I squash it fast because it's a Dead end conversation - TO ME ( again

Actually at one time back in my earlier career , Marshall was the Best tool for the Job ~ it just became Not the Case any more . My writing and playing evolved parallel to the times a little more than alot of musicians my age, that's all.

these 2 words are very Useful when Discussing things of a Subjective Nature when conversing --> To Me

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Oh and B T W ~ I'm not going to call Anybody Foolish who's Holding a Tele up in the little Avatar picture by their name ( Telecaster is my 1st. go to Standard tuned guitar

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Oh and B T W ~ I'm not going to call Anybody Foolish who's Holding a Tele up in the little Avatar picture by their name ( Telecaster is my 1st. go to Standard tuned guitar

always SD?

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

Oh, the Tele stays standard ~ I never change tuning on each ax. I only run set tunings for Individuals but I build solid bodies so I will usually put one together for whatever . I Play mostly C on 6 + 7 . E stand. on 6 . In fact Drop C was one of the reasons I winded up selling My 76 JMP Head that I had for 20yrs. It just didn't have the right bottom end when U scoop the Mids out and crank Bass + Treb for Resonance , chunk, thunk, palm, etc. ( and Neither would an 80's JCM 800 )

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

I'm selling my Dyson. It's just collecting dust.

and I just quit my job making toothpicks outta Logs

 

[kramersteen]

Re: what would the result be if you added pickups over the strings?

I was pulling apart some electronics with my son and discovered a cool part which would easily be modded to hold a pickup that could slide up and down via a knob. All mechanical with no motors.

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