Yeah grabbed my attention with it. The more I think on it the more I like it if even I think of it as a fancy pedal rather than an amp. I could see it being a wonderful resource as you have listed as well as a practice tool, grab and go small board situation to go jam with friends, amp backup and probably more i am not thinking of right now. It kind of seems like a must have for the idea of a Swiss Army type piece of gear. Thanks Mincer!:beerchug:
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Yeah grabbed my attention with it. The more I think on it the more I like it if even I think of it as a fancy pedal rather than an amp. I could see it being a wonderful resource as you have listed as well as a practice tool, grab and go small board situation to go jam with friends, amp backup and probably more i am not thinking of right now. It kind of seems like a must have for the idea of a Swiss Army type piece of gear. Thanks Mincer!:beerchug:
Great point...I like the idea of what you said. Thank you!!:beerchug:
That is a great amp. I just recently picked up the 50 watt Stealth head, Love it and bang for the buck, great great amp. I also grabbed the PRS MT-15 and love it as well. Another great value.
Lewguitar
New member
Thanks! An overdrive pedal like a Klon KTR or a Hermida Dover Drive sounds fabulous into an AC30, Artist 30 or Artisan 30.
I set the amp for my clean tones for chords, and then use either pedal for overdrive tones or both for super overdrive tones.
AC30 combo amps are so heavy I bought the head version and plug into a two 12 Matchless speaker cab. Saves my back.
NegativeEase
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yeah, I was making jokes -not questioning your experience.
I would buy a modeler first honesty -try recording direct, through full range speakers with room mics etc. save some big $$ and get a variety of amp options without dealing with upkeep on vintage amps.
Then if your not satisfied, I think most musician recordist want at the ready Fender Deluxe style tones, Marshall British mid style tones, Vox Chime, and Roland SS style -not matter what you are doing -now a days you can buy tube amps that do a version of all British/American in the pre amp section -really versatile amps -I would look into that unless you want to really spend some $$$
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Lewguitar
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I have a nice Modeler. A Fender Mustang III. A very under appreciated amp. I gigged with it for a while and really liked it.
Then I went back to my regular amps after a few months.
When I returned to the Mustang I had completely forgotten how to use it and what I had programmed into it.
You really have to use it every day to keep it all straight in your mind.
At least in MY mind.
DIMEBAG!!!!!! lol..
I had one of those as well as a Revolution when they first came out. I think I traded them away in a couple of different deals. I remember the Revolution went to a guy wanting to trade me for some cash and an old low low serial number Mesa Dual Rectifier. I think the Krankenstein went to a guy willing to trade his Bogner Ecstasy 101B. That was a long time ago. Cool amp though!
No worries lol. All is well my friend. I wish the sickness were more recent, there would probably be a better chance for a cure! Some sort of modeler is looking like a given regardless. The HX Stomp that Mincer suggested is probably a great launching point. I already have a ton of amps and cabs etc so I have REALLY resisted going the full modern digital way of recording and getting so caught up in IR's and all that kind of stuff. I will admit I am not the best techy and am not the most educated on all the current recording stuff and ways to go about things. I am far more educated on amps and guitars and stuff directly associated with a guitar player and how all that works. Anytime I can save money and get the desired outcome I am all for it. I just want it right the first time without having to jump through a bunch of systems or methods to see what may work. One of the things that has held me back from Modelers or profilers has been trying to replicate a proper amp sound with a 4x12 or more cab dialed in proper. People get the modelers/profilers and run everything through IR's and this new recording stuff and out some monitors and are upset that it doesn't sound like a cranked amp with multiple 4x12 cabs...lol. I don't want to chase that dragon. I want to buy quality stuff one time with a clear understanding and expectation of what it does and what I am getting into without getting rid of or giving up all the gear I have acquired and love over the years. I also don't want to fiddle around programming something to get my sound when I can just plug into my amp and flip the switch and have my sound. Sorry, I am ranting now but just sharing my thoughts for perspective. I do know I am a bit old school and the old road and new road are merging.....probably faster than I can comprehend...but I do know they are merging.
I also know that on the recording side, (I guess same on any subject matter really) that if you ask 10 people on exactly what you need for this endeavor you will likely get 10 different gear purchase lists.
I totally get that. It is really easy to go to 'IR Hell' and try out many of them to arrive back where you started, or your ears get so tired that you can't hear the difference. Especially since these modelers can hold 1000s of them! But stick with what is in the box, and make great tones, and remember to spend time playing.
You are absolutely correct my friend. I see it all the time and just refuse to go down that path. How many ways can you capture a vintage 30 (for example)? It appears hundreds if not thousands of ways by all these IR's available...lol. I am definitely with you on the simple aspect. I like simple and straight forward.
Wonderful suggestion. I liked the Helios a lot and then played the Helios Eclipse and loved it. I ordered one and it arrived damaged so I sent it back. It's replacement finally arrived and the transformers were leaning and the box was damaged so it took a huge drop somewhere along the journey so it went back as well. I like the sound of the Eclipse best of the three models. It is one I am strongly considering.
Helios Eclipse is more modern sounding with easier mode operation and controls than the regular Helios.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
I would buy a high end acoustic.
And play unplugged.
With the option of plugging in.
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Good call there but I did that to open a different door when the china virus showed up and life began changing for us all. I played it a lot initially but not as much lately as when I first bought it. :beerchug:
dystrust
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Part of the issue is that you need to think of IRs as BOTH a cabinet and mic position. I'm looking at one of my IR packs now and my G12H30 cabinet has 699 IRs, but there are 18 microphones in there and many of them have 30-50+ positions. Picking an IR is not unlike micing a cab in the studio; I'll probably start with a MD-421 or SM57 1" out at the edge of the dust cap and fine tune from there. If you're trying to duplicate a live FOH vibe, you're probably done at that point. You can go down the rabbit hole with multiple mics and off-axis positioning and the like, but I almost never do it. Most of the time it's 1-2 close mics and maybe a couple distant ones, and that's if I'm not being lazy and just using a close mic or two with a bit of room reverb.
UPDATE:
I want to once again, take the time to personally thank each and every one of you who commented in this thread. All the comments were great and the feedback got me to thinking in some new directions and gave me a lot to chew on....(which I did). The somewhat frustrating thing (for me anyway) in this was finding a potential alternate path or particular product only to find it isn't in stock etc. We all know a lot of inventory is down and with it being this time of year it is even leaner in some cases on some products.I went in a somewhat different path than I anticipated. I picked up a Sound City Master Lead 50 and a HX Stomp. The Sound City is unlike any amp I have (think HiWatt) and can do the clean type stuff and Rock stuff is spades. I can't wait for it to show up! The Stomp is going to be fun to mess around with and I look forward to learning what it can do and further opening that door I have refused (up until now) to want to walk through. Here are a couple links if you are interested in hearing how it sounds. Enjoy!
I want to once again, take the time to personally thank each and every one of you who commented in this thread. All the comments were great and the feedback got me to thinking in some new directions and gave me a lot to chew on....(which I did). The somewhat frustrating thing (for me anyway) in this was finding a potential alternate path or particular product only to find it isn't in stock etc. We all know a lot of inventory is down and with it being this time of year it is even leaner in some cases on some products.I went in a somewhat different path than I anticipated. I picked up a Sound City Master Lead 50 and a HX Stomp. The Sound City is unlike any amp I have (think HiWatt) and can do the clean type stuff and Rock stuff is spades. I can't wait for it to show up! The Stomp is going to be fun to mess around with and I look forward to learning what it can do and further opening that door I have refused (up until now) to want to walk through. Here are a couple links if you are interested in hearing how it sounds. Enjoy!
