what's fender smoking?

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either way, those pickups probably re-sell very well. I bet one could buy that guitar and sell the pickguard for the price of a new pickguard loaded with antiquities almost.

I'd want to own it to have a flawless fender with a top that's on par with the gibby's, maybe the PRS. Now if there's a chambered alder w/ maple top.......ultra light resonant luxury strat
 
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Those carved top teles are absolutely GORGEOUS.

I see nothing wrong with this series at all.
 
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I like the white guard on the Tele...I never thought the carved toped ones with no guard looked right.
 
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I like the white guard on the Tele...I never thought the carved toped ones with no guard looked right.

ditto. I get the reasoning of 'don't hide the wonderful top', but traditional pickguards on fender bodies always look on point, even better with those tops.
 
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Then i'm in a sharp minority that doesn't like flametops on fenders (except for the amdlx that existed 2004 to 2007). I don't know, it screams "not fender!" when to me a fender is supposed to be relatively crude. Bolts, planks of wood, transducers, some wires and metal, and a bridge. I just can't get used to it... I would have LOVED though a mahogany stratocaster, or a strat where all the parts are top-shelf (ie: cost-be-damned, we're putting inserts, an EJ-strat bridge, duncan ants or BKPs or duncan CS in, etc., I did notice the dots weren't abalone... perhaps the abalone dots were struck down by CITES?

Sorry, but I just can't get used to it.
 
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Geez, thread backfire!

I love that Select Telecaster. They all look amazing though.
 
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Dozens of companies out there build a Strat or Tele (S or T) style guitar with fancy woods, pretty figuring, limited production pickups and modern features and charge 3, 4, 5k and even more and we call them boutique builders...

Fender decides to put out their own guitars like that to beat the competition at their own game and folks flip out over the prices...

I say good for Fender!
 
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Love Fender
Hate Flames

I want more ebony fretboard options !!!!!!!!!!
 
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This year, Fender has been mostly smoking Old Growth Redwood.

+1 for flame tops not being true to the Leo Fender ethos.

+1 for most of them looking great, regardless.
 
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The only thing I hate about them is that for Select there's a lack of selection. One type of guitar = one color, one kind of fretboard. I won't say one set of pickups also 'cause, let's face it, we're at a pickups forums, whenever's that stopped us? :evil:

I could also say the price but I expect that to be a LOT lower in street prices...

All in all if I was interested in sth like that I'd still go to Suhr and have him build me sth to my specs.
After all, my favorite guitar is still the one Will Stinnett built me last year and it cost significantly less than that MSRP...
 
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I liked the old amdlx FMT strat and tele... they looked like custom pieces, but why is fender doing THIS?

http://www.fender.com/products/select

(yes, it's a moneygrab, but still... er... a FMT strat with a PICKGUARD?!)

:bling:gone wrong for me.

I like them. A lot. Honestly, I've seen so much flamed maple in my life that it doesn't impress me anymore. Square footage of flamed maple does not automatically make me coo like a teenage girl; I want to see new things.

I don't get the "moneygrab" accusation. They're a company; they're in business to make money. God forbid they do something that might help them achieve that.
 
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I like them. A lot. Honestly, I've seen so much flamed maple in my life that it doesn't impress me anymore. Square footage of flamed maple does not automatically make me coo like a teenage girl; I want to see new things.

I don't get the "moneygrab" accusation. They're a company; they're in business to make money. God forbid they do something that might help them achieve that.


I say moneygrab because it's a way to get people who would have gone to CS, or to a Suhr / Tom A / Melancon / Grosh to spend more on a guitar, that at least objectively until a review is made, has no significant performance increase over the american deluxe (already an excellent guitar). I'm not knocking the fact that flametops are pretty and a great way to reach to the "i'm thinking to go CS / boutique market", but there are a LOT of shortcomings to the AmDlx that would be fixed and made into a nice "select" model. Such as
  1. Wood Screws replaced by threaded inserts / machine screws (YJM strat)
  2. A more robust, less Zamakesque / hamburger meat block (EJ Strat)
  3. An LSR nut to further prevent string binding (Am Dlx HSS Strat)
  4. 1/4sawn neck (EJ strat)
  5. Thin Nitro instead of "lacquer". I know that may result in a ton of relicing in what appears to be a "i want it to always stay purdy!" market... but it adds mojo :approve:
And what are "select pickups"? Are they select because they're really Duncan Ants / CS, Sheptones, BKPs, or is it a way to make what for all we know are American Standard pups sound more "boo-teek" than they actually are? Call me a skeptic, but when there are no performance improvements beyond the model below it and you're spending an extra $1k for a pretty sheet or two of thin maple or koa... it's a money-grab.

Jason
 
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Dude, I've only had one experience with an LSR nut and it was not good, not to mention they kinda limit the string gauges you can use. It's not like you can exactly open up the space between a pair of ball bearings with a file.

I think the basic Select Tele is stunning. Dig.
 
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Dozens of companies out there build a Strat or Tele (S or T) style guitar with fancy woods, pretty figuring, limited production pickups and modern features and charge 3, 4, 5k and even more and we call them boutique builders...

Fender decides to put out their own guitars like that to beat the competition at their own game and folks flip out over the prices...

I say good for Fender!

Those other companies aren't boutique because they put fancy tops on bolt-ons.

They're boutique because it's usually 1 - 5 craftsmen building them with an attention to detail that a larger company can't or won't offer at the same price point.

I think Fender is getting dinged here because they're charging the same money as you would pay for a Suhr or Anderson or Grosh, but you aren't getting a Fender Custom Shop instrument. You are getting a standard production guitar made with fancy woods for custom shop money.
 
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I think they look great but they better be better than the crap I've played from them lately.
 
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Dude, I've only had one experience with an LSR nut and it was not good, not to mention they kinda limit the string gauges you can use. It's not like you can exactly open up the space between a pair of ball bearings with a file.

I think the basic Select Tele is stunning. Dig.

the basic one... I would dig if it was pickguardless. I could never get used to a PG on a flametop fender. It just ruins the aesthetic a bit for me. (Although i can see the functionality in the event of say you pluck right over the pickup and you don't want to dig out the coils, so there is a practical purpose, as with most fender PGs.) I could adapt to it, but on a strat, i like a back-loaded, no PG flame / quilt top... bookmatched CS strats with such loading have proven to be absolutely stunning guitars.

As for the LSR nut. I have one, I use it, and it's great for me. No binding, no having to recut because I want to change string gauges, and in the 5 years I have had my current strat, I have NEVER lost one of the ball-bearings. They can go up to .014-.060 with zero modifications (I asked Fender about this) and I can leave my strat without playing it for weeks, and it mitigates the string-binding that occurs due to expanding and contracting wood.

Those other companies aren't boutique because they put fancy tops on bolt-ons.

They're boutique because it's usually 1 - 5 craftsmen building them with an attention to detail that a larger company can't or won't offer at the same price point.

I think Fender is getting dinged here because they're charging the same money as you would pay for a Suhr or Anderson or Grosh, but you aren't getting a Fender Custom Shop instrument. You are getting a standard production guitar made with fancy woods for custom shop money.

This. I've played Fenders (non-CS) where the gap between the neck and the body was enough to stick a heavy pick (1.2mm) within them. My AmDlx, I got lucky, it has a fairly tight fit (not where i can pick the whole thing up just by holding the neck, but not massive gaps either). The CS is more consistent, but even at the Teambuilt level it's almost a production unit (albeit with more specialized labor and better woods). The boutique guys (particularly callaham, which is a 2-man operation in building guitars and is building ZERO for 2012) deal with fancy woods, odd pickup / wiring configs, etc., enough to know not only what works and what doesn't, but also how to maximize the resonant and sustain qualities of the wood while maintaining a tonality that is pleasing to the end-user. I gather for whatever the street price becomes ($1800 to $2000 is my guess), it will still be the same "random pick of neck to body... hope it works" with a pretty top and pretty neck (flames galore). As I say, if the select was more of a "player's guitar" with "player oriented upgrades towards tone and playability" BEYOND the amdlx, i'd rather have that than have to deal with a no-more-playable-than-the-amdlx-but-prettier guitar.

I think they look great but they better be better than the crap I've played from them lately.

This. Lately it seems only the AVRI, AmDlx, US Artist, and CS guitars have been consistently great. MIMs are good, but it seems the USA bread n butter has been falling off the job in favor of cost-cutting. A USA Select shouldn't just be pretty, but it should minimize any reason for me to upgrade even at the fundamental level (pots, caps, bridge, etc.,) and have a build quality even higher than the amdlx. If fender wanted to go boutique-style, the build quality more than the pretty constitutes the glut of S-style and T-style boutiques. Those ornaments are mere ornaments, and do minimal to nothing to make the guitar a better player.
 
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