When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

So enlighten us old folk. Who are the new players who have incredible tone and are not just chugga chugga-ing?

No offense taken about Vai and Satriani. Those have never been tones I've chased after, but I find them more musically interesting than this...

http://youtu.be/ryzie8mham8

Which seems to be what everything sounds like right now, and this is a GOOD example of it. A lot of what I have found has been really BAD chugga chugga.

First "incredible tone" is very much a subjective thing...second, how new do you want? I mean the last 25 years or the last 25 weeks? What is new to you?

While we're at it that clip you linked is garbage as far as i'm concerned...not my kind of playing or tone at any moment however I do hear lots of differences in those tones so I do see and get the point of the clip.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Music is alive and well and constantly changing the same way it always has. Artists (especially new ones) have no obligation to please anyone but themselves. There has always been good and not so good music. Open your mind and your ears will follow.

 

[TheLivingDead]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Music is alive and well and constantly changing the same way it always has. Artists (especially new ones) have no obligation to please anyone but themselves. There has always been good and not so good music. Open your mind and your ears will follow.

 

[Mr. B]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Music is alive and well and constantly changing the same way it always has. Artists (especially new ones) have no obligation to please anyone but themselves. There has always been good and not so good music. Open your mind and your ears will follow.

So do YOU know someone new I should be listening to that is not just buzzy chugga chugga stuff?

I'm beginning to wonder if there are any new players that are really standing out and doing anything new. I mean Disturbed and Chevelle were playing down tuned chuggy riffs like this a decade ago, and the only difference I see is that the tone has gotten colder, buzzier, and more sterile, and the rhythm more like thrash metal.

 

[GilmourD]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

So do YOU know someone new I should be listening to that is not just buzzy chugga chugga stuff?

I'm beginning to wonder if there are any new players that are really standing out and doing anything new. I mean Disturbed and Chevelle were playing down tuned chuggy riffs like this a decade ago, and the only difference I see is that the tone has gotten colder, buzzier, and more sterile, and the rhythm more like thrash metal.

There's a lot of newer hard rock that isn't buzzy or chuggy. Coheed and Cambria. The Receiving End of Sirens. I the Mighty. I'm sure I could think of more examples if my brain were more caffeinated.

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[jon the art guy]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Troll thread? Sounds good!
Animals as Leaders. There's some djent and some 16 bar melodies all wrapped into a band with no bassist. It was paradigm shifting for me for about 3 days.
Your chuggachugga is popular because its easy. Get a handful of skinny guys, put some ugly haircuts on them and teach them chuggachugga and you have a band that will sell the heck out of one bad album to high school girls with a case of the moisties for "OMG BRAD IS SOOOO HOT AND HE SINGS LIKE A GOD AND I WANT HIM...INSIDE.....ME...." until the next set of chumps with dead birds on their heads come by...
Dude, its like you forgot about hair metal. Same stuff, thicker strings and more preamp tubes, that's all.

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[Nacho8807]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

If you ask me (and technically you did), Aaron Marshall is a great player with great tone IMO.

http://youtu.be/tyBrxxUWO28
As stated before, this is all highly subjective, but I find his sense of melody very tasteful. Yeah, there's some chuggachugga, but I'm not against that when the song calls for it. I think it sounds cool, you obviously don't, and that's ok.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

So do YOU know someone new I should be listening to that is not just buzzy chugga chugga stuff?

Plenty, but there is really no point because you have already made up your mind about contemporary music. When (and if) you can open your mind, you will start finding a whole myriad of great and inspiring stuff out there for yourself and be a lot happier for it.

 

[Securb]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

When its done right it is just so right. Dificulty level: No Chugga Chuga

 

[Securb]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Never seen this Nile Rodgers clip before check out around 2:40

 

[King IzzO)))]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

*sigh*

 

[Rockstar216]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

So do YOU know someone new I should be listening to that is not just buzzy chugga chugga stuff?

I'm beginning to wonder if there are any new players that are really standing out and doing anything new. I mean Disturbed and Chevelle were playing down tuned chuggy riffs like this a decade ago, and the only difference I see is that the tone has gotten colder, buzzier, and more sterile, and the rhythm more like thrash metal.

Well what type of music are YOU into? Theirs all types of music and players out their that I could recommend but what exactly are you looking for?

 

[NecroPolo]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

--->When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

I guess at the first tick of any rhythm around.

C'mon. Everyone's tone sucks. Including yours. Mine, too. And everyone's tone is perfect. Including yours. Mine, too. Placing in-between just depends on the eye I mean the ear of the beholder.

 

[blueman335]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

When (and if) you can open your mind, you will start finding a whole myriad of great and inspiring stuff out there for yourself and be a lot happier for it.

+1. There's so much good music these days, you can't even listen to all of it. So many talented, creative people out there. If you're not hearing them, you're not looking.

 

[Ascension]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

So do YOU know someone new I should be listening to that is not just buzzy chugga chugga stuff?

I'm beginning to wonder if there are any new players that are really standing out and doing anything new. I mean Disturbed and Chevelle were playing down tuned chuggy riffs like this a decade ago, and the only difference I see is that the tone has gotten colder, buzzier, and more sterile, and the rhythm more like thrash metal.

Guitar as a percussion instrument? YEP!

 

[elelpe]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

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[Gitfidl]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

I see that too. They use the guitar as a drum. Well so many guitar usrs don't really learn any chords .. they just learn to make a few sounds and one of them is beating on the guitar. And they seem to be able to entertain a few people by doing it. Equally puzzling is wonder what happens to all of the guitars? If you visit a "Guitar Center" and do a rough calculation obviouw costs (rent, salaries, inventory, point of sale) and then figure how many guitars do they need to sell (monthly) to break even it is a staggering figure. Then add a figure like that for MHS, Elderly, Sweetwater ..it is truly incredible. Then ask .. where are they? That many guitars are not being played. Are the sitting in corners, attic and garages? There must be thousands of them that got played once or twice nad then stashed some place .. I see parents writing checks for guitars and accessories into the thousands of dollars and you have to wonder WHERE did that go when junior realized that playing takes work and then got tired of using it as a drum. Where are they?

 

[ItsaBass]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Every instrument is a percussion instrument at heart.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

In the sense that the strings are "struck" rather than "bowed", the guitar has always been a percussion instrument.

Somebody referred earlier to the lute. In the European tradition, the lute has always been a plucked instrument. Bowed, stringed instruments are usually classed in the Viol family.

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[Kosh Naranek]

Re: When did Guitar become a percussion instrument?

Every video I see, and clip I hear is someone drumming on the open e string, chugging some downtuned chord incessantly, or flopping their fingers around on an open tuning like they are playing guitar hero. I just watched the metal video of the 12 Duncan models that are posted all over the Duncan website, and seriously, is there any difference between them when you are just playing chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga?

I know what you're talking about. This immediately brings to mind the reason I have had difficulty really connecting with the music of Dream Theater. I love guitar music, I love virtuosity, and I love a variety of guitar tones, including high gain shred tones. And I think Dream Theater is a great band with incredible songwriting and playing chops, and great melodies. But there are sections where the guitar riff is focused solely on some complex rhythm, played on one repeated note. At those points I ask "What if you played this rhythm, but used a few of the other notes in the scale to create some melodic movement?" As virtuosic as it is, it's a little one-dimensional at times.

As for current players doing the tasteful melodic thing, watch some videos of Guthrie Govan if you haven't already. Otherwise, I don't know... I think I'm still stuck listening to David Gilmour, Steve Howe, and a lot of other players who haven't been "new players" in over 40 years. Oh, and I'm still listening to Vai and Satriani as well.
Oh yes, and I've been listening to Hammock a lot. But that's a completely different thing.