Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?
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seafoamer
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those edwards historics got em.
those edwards historics got em.
TattooedCarrot
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As far as I know, only the historics and vintage have them. But shop around, you can easily get a used R7 or R8 (plaintop) in the $1800-$2200 range. It's only the R9 that's insanley expensive.
As far as I know, only the historics and vintage have them. But shop around, you can easily get a used R7 or R8 (plaintop) in the $1800-$2200 range. It's only the R9 that's insanley expensive.
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And the original Plaintop has a Brazilian fingerboard...a real plus tone wise.
Lew
TattooedCarrot said:
And the original Plaintop has a Brazilian fingerboard...a real plus tone wise.
Lew
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seafoamer
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u really think so, huh?
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u really think so, huh?
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Lewguitar
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Some do and some don't...
But those that do have the Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard have a much better chance of sounding more like a real '58 Les Paul than those that don't.
Yes...Brazilian Rosewood sounds differant than Indian. More complexity to the mids, even if it's just a fingerboard.
Lew
seafoamer said:
Some do and some don't...
But those that do have the Brazilian Rosewood fingerboard have a much better chance of sounding more like a real '58 Les Paul than those that don't.
Yes...Brazilian Rosewood sounds differant than Indian. More complexity to the mids, even if it's just a fingerboard.
Lew
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seafoamer
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cool. seeing that my 3 Gibs have braz boards, I lyke to think they are better, too. It's just so damn hard to really know.
Lewguitar said:
cool. seeing that my 3 Gibs have braz boards, I lyke to think they are better, too. It's just so damn hard to really know.
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seafoamer
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yes, but don't they also have 14 1/2 lbs of finish on them, negating any benefit of the long tenon?
aleclee said:The PRS Les Paul
yes, but don't they also have 14 1/2 lbs of finish on them, negating any benefit of the long tenon?
JeffB
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It really depends ...
I think that all things being ABSOLUTELY equal, in theory the long tenon is a better mousetrap. Same with One vs. Multipiece backs.
But in practice I cannot say it's true..cos I've had short tenons with better/deeper tone and sustain than long tenons. And multipieces that sounded ebtter than one.
Too many other variables come into play.
I think the neck SIZE (i.e profile) has a more direct effect on tone than the tenon length. More than any highly debated feature, I've seen more evidence to prove (at least for myself) that a chunky big neck is a key to good Les Paul tone.
Best thing to do is just play a bunch..you'll find one that sings
It really depends ...
I think that all things being ABSOLUTELY equal, in theory the long tenon is a better mousetrap. Same with One vs. Multipiece backs.
But in practice I cannot say it's true..cos I've had short tenons with better/deeper tone and sustain than long tenons. And multipieces that sounded ebtter than one.
Too many other variables come into play.
I think the neck SIZE (i.e profile) has a more direct effect on tone than the tenon length. More than any highly debated feature, I've seen more evidence to prove (at least for myself) that a chunky big neck is a key to good Les Paul tone.
Best thing to do is just play a bunch..you'll find one that sings
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seafoamer
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the tenon on my '58 jr. is long as fuuk. Having only a bridge p-up, they could do this. I'll have to take a pic someday. Some of u who have never seen one, will shyt.
the tenon on my '58 jr. is long as fuuk. Having only a bridge p-up, they could do this. I'll have to take a pic someday. Some of u who have never seen one, will shyt.
aleclee
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Seriously, the finish on a US PRS is a lot thinner than you think.
Yeah, but that's just so they'll weigh the same as a LP whose wood hasn't been properly dried.seafoamer said:yes, but don't they also have 14 1/2 lbs of finish on them, negating any benefit of the long tenon?
Seriously, the finish on a US PRS is a lot thinner than you think.
rspst14
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I totally agree. It's not so much the tenon length that makes all the difference, but how it's attached to the body. I'm sure most of you have seen this picture at some point:
Look at how the short tenon is designed to rock back and forth. Not a tonally advantageous design, but it makes it easier to set the neck angle. The long tenon seems to be designed a bit better.
Ryan
JeffB said:It really depends ...
I think that all things being ABSOLUTELY equal, in theory the long tenon is a better mousetrap. Same with One vs. Multipiece backs.
But in practice I cannot say it's true..cos I've had short tenons with better/deeper tone and sustain than long tenons. And multipieces that sounded ebtter than one.
Too many other variables come into play.
I think the neck SIZE (i.e profile) has a more direct effect on tone than the tenon length. More than any highly debated feature, I've seen more evidence to prove (at least for myself) that a chunky big neck is a key to good Les Paul tone.
Best thing to do is just play a bunch..you'll find one that sings
I totally agree. It's not so much the tenon length that makes all the difference, but how it's attached to the body. I'm sure most of you have seen this picture at some point:
Look at how the short tenon is designed to rock back and forth. Not a tonally advantageous design, but it makes it easier to set the neck angle. The long tenon seems to be designed a bit better.
Ryan
SoCalSteve
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Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?
It doesn't say Gibson but in my Elitist it extends into the neck pup cavity.
It doesn't say Gibson but in my Elitist it extends into the neck pup cavity.
TattooedCarrot
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They cost a lot more as well, people know what they are and what they're worth.Lewguitar said:
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In all honesty, I really don't think the long tenon/Brazillian RW thing makes a bit of difference. Really. It wasn't too much of an issue for the better part of 25 years (as far as the tenon) or 30 years for the Brazillian RW. It wasn't until Gibson made a big deal in marketing the Historics as made "like they used to."
Tell me you can honestly tell the difference between a short and long tenon or an Indian and Brazillian fingerboard, and I'll tell you you've got much better ears than 99.99% of of the population, or you're prone to suggestion.
That being said, I believe a good Brazillian RW fingerboard looks better than a good Indian RW board. The color is generally darker, the grain is generally tighter, it's generally "waxier," and the figure is "cooler." The hype was so ridiculous that when Gibson was doing the Brazillian thing again, they were putting the ugliest slabs of wood on those guitars- and people were buying them because they had "character." Or maybe just because they knew it was Brazillian Rosewood.
The tenon argument is a little less scientific. It makes sense that there's more contact area to transfer vibration. It makes sense that there's more contact area to keep the guitar on the body. It makes sense that the amount of work to secure the neck with a long tenon is considerably more. All the things that make the long tenon better, but I can't tell the difference in sound, resonance or feel. I've seen ONE guitar with the neck broken off the body. However, I think the heel was actually dug out after the rest of the neck met an unfortunate and deliberate demise.
I currently own 3 instruments with Brazillian fingerboards, all of which were made in 1965 or earlier. I currently own 4 guitars with built with long tenon construction, two of which were made in 1998 or later. My favorite guitar as far as feel and sound has a long tenon and an Indian fingerboard and was made in 2001. I think it has more to do with the wood that the neck and body are made from, than it does about the fingerboard or the method of neck join construction.
In all honesty, I really don't think the long tenon/Brazillian RW thing makes a bit of difference. Really. It wasn't too much of an issue for the better part of 25 years (as far as the tenon) or 30 years for the Brazillian RW. It wasn't until Gibson made a big deal in marketing the Historics as made "like they used to."
Tell me you can honestly tell the difference between a short and long tenon or an Indian and Brazillian fingerboard, and I'll tell you you've got much better ears than 99.99% of of the population, or you're prone to suggestion.
That being said, I believe a good Brazillian RW fingerboard looks better than a good Indian RW board. The color is generally darker, the grain is generally tighter, it's generally "waxier," and the figure is "cooler." The hype was so ridiculous that when Gibson was doing the Brazillian thing again, they were putting the ugliest slabs of wood on those guitars- and people were buying them because they had "character." Or maybe just because they knew it was Brazillian Rosewood.
The tenon argument is a little less scientific. It makes sense that there's more contact area to transfer vibration. It makes sense that there's more contact area to keep the guitar on the body. It makes sense that the amount of work to secure the neck with a long tenon is considerably more. All the things that make the long tenon better, but I can't tell the difference in sound, resonance or feel. I've seen ONE guitar with the neck broken off the body. However, I think the heel was actually dug out after the rest of the neck met an unfortunate and deliberate demise.
I currently own 3 instruments with Brazillian fingerboards, all of which were made in 1965 or earlier. I currently own 4 guitars with built with long tenon construction, two of which were made in 1998 or later. My favorite guitar as far as feel and sound has a long tenon and an Indian fingerboard and was made in 2001. I think it has more to do with the wood that the neck and body are made from, than it does about the fingerboard or the method of neck join construction.
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seafoamer
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A really long tenon can help u hit the G-note.
A really long tenon can help u hit the G-note.
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Skarekrough
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****ing huge ones...
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****ing huge ones...
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