Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

[greendy123]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

If you want a cheap quality Les Paul with a Long tenon neck check out some of Japanese copies. As a few members on our forum find them easily beating or equal to the quality on Les Paul standards made today, including myself. Most of them can be bought to less than $1000. I know Edwards Les Paul copies all have a long tenon neck, I'm not sure about burny, greco, orville, and tokai, but I think they may also have them.

 

[hans-jürgen]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

The new Tokai Love Rocks with long neck tenon start with model LS120 and higher. But all other models have the usual medium neck tenon which goes up to the neck cavity, i.e. longer than the Gibson short tenon.

 

[Skinman]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

Hi, all the Slash models have long tenon. Its one of the specs he makes.
All the Epiphones do also, except the new (shudder) bolt on they lowered themselves to make.
There is a gold top, a tobacco sunburst and a nice red one (vermillion) but all after the first one (the snakepit) have that gawdy
skull with top hat drawing as part of his signature on the headstock.
I actually just aqcuired a 98 Korean epi and restored it.
I installed triple shots on it also and am very happy with them.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

welcome to the forum

thank you for posting this useful information

this thread is over ten years old

 

[Aceman]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

Greetings.

I have been playing Les Pauls as long as you have been alive, or longer. I don't know, and I don't care.


Why is this important to you?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

when they say neck tenon
are they refering to the heel where the neck meets the body?

I just watched a video on Max Les Paul copies and how the 59 had a shorter heel
or is it some part that passes under the top?

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

Hi, all the Slash models have long tenon. Its one of the specs he makes.
All the Epiphones do also, except the new (shudder) bolt on they lowered themselves to make.
There is a gold top, a tobacco sunburst and a nice red one (vermillion) but all after the first one (the snakepit) have that gawdy
skull with top hat drawing as part of his signature on the headstock.
I actually just aqcuired a 98 Korean epi and restored it.
I installed triple shots on it also and am very happy with them.

Skinman, Welcome to the forum!! Normally we are a friendly bunch.. But some will poke fun that you replied to an ancient thread... On the other hand, youd have some guys slag you if you dup a thread too...

when they say neck tenon
are they refering to the heel where the neck meets the body?

I just watched a video on Max Les Paul copies and how the 59 had a shorter heel
or is it some part that passes under the top?

Refers to how deep the neck is set into the body. (dont slag me if Im not using the correct terms, its late and Im at work) Long tenon ones have the neck set in to where it usually goes to the front pickup cavity. Short ones connect just a couple inches into the body.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

Gibson made short tenon for years before anyone had any idea such a thing existed. People said those guitars sounded as amazing and righteous as any other guitar. Considering the sonic mix of mahogany, maple, glue and everything else that could impact the sound, I'd say there is little correlation between the amount of sustain one hears and the tenon, regardless of what armchair physicists say. And I have NEVER seen a break at the body/neck joint, nor could tell which was which by playing one.

If you want one just because you want one - cool. I wanted a blue flame sparkle Flying V too - not that it played or sounded any better than anything else. But don't pretend there is a legit science/logic to it if you are spending the money. My advice - find a Les Paul that a) Sounds great b feels fantastic and b) is finished flawlessly considering the price period.

 

[AlexR]

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Nobody can make a guitar with both long tenon then short tenon consecutively, so there is no way you can test the same guitar with long vs short. Hence there is no validity in saying either you would or would not hear any tonal difference.

However there is certainly way more contact from body to neck with a long tenon, and necks are very important tonally (from my time changing neck between Fender type guitars).

 

[Wattage]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

My Epi Trad Pro has a long tenon. It is certainly a righteous sounding guitar.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

However there is certainly way more contact from body to neck with a long tenon, and necks are very important tonally (from my time changing neck between Fender type guitars).

I will NEVER argue that the neck wood and construction itself (One piece, multiple pieces, type of fretboard, etc....) can make a VAST difference in sound/tone/feel.)

Huge fan of Maple LP necks...for the sound.

 

[voggin]

Re: Which Les Paul models have the long neck tenon?

Long tenons, IMHO, don't contribute anything. think about the contact points of a neck. The back of the body, the fretboard part that attaches to the top, etc. A short tenon is a totally solid joint. Especially when you think of a CNC cut joint, which fits perfectly.

Gibson knew this, and found that a short or rocker tenon actually allowed for a better ability to set the neck angle. However, all the shysters in the vintage market created the "long tenon" myth, to flog old beaters at unreasonable prices. Gibson had to respond by making an unnecessary change back to them on some models, to meet a need in the market that had no basis in fact. I don't blame Gibson, company has to make a living.

But if you can tell a tonal difference from a short or a long tenon, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

P.S. the LP in my avatar has a long tenon. Couldn't care less.

PPS: I used to be a cabinet maker. I know a bit about joints.