whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

[mouse ears]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Well I tried the Jazz bridge and while it did brighten up the guitar, I find it underpowered and a little sterile for my taste. I'm going to try a custom/demon hybrid I had in another guitar.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Did you try it closer to the strings? Not sure what you mean by sterile though. I find it to have great dynamic response.

 

[Demanic]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Custom/Demon? That sounds interesting? Which coil from each?

 

[Aceman]

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I'm always on the lookout for a "The Les Paul" in walnut. So what pups for that????? Good thread.

 

[mouse ears]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I moved the jazz up as high as I could, but there just wasn't enough output for me. I thought it sounded a little sterile, just like the jazz neck does when compared to other neck pickups like the whole lotta hum bucker, APH2, jazz/59 hybrids, or pearly gates. Man, you never know until you try, this stuff is so subjective.

I have a custom/demon set, and have used them in the bridge of two different alder guitars. I don't remember which coil or slug is from which, they sound pretty close. The thing that makes the bigger difference for me is the maple top on one of the alder guitars. Same thing with the whole lotta humbuckers in walnut. They sound good but don't have the same bite as whole lotta humbucker in mahogany with a maple cap.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Custom/Demon? That sounds interesting? Which coil from each?

I'm always on the lookout for a "The Les Paul" in walnut. So what pups for that????? Good thread.

I moved the jazz up as high as I could, but there just wasn't enough output for me. I thought it sounded a little sterile, just like the jazz neck does when compared to other neck pickups like the whole lotta hum bucker, APH2, jazz/59 hybrids, or pearly gates. Man, you never know until you try, this stuff is so subjective.
I have a custom/demon set, and have used them in the bridge of two different alder guitars. I don't remember which coil or slug is from which, they sound pretty close. The thing that makes the bigger difference for me is the maple top on one of the alder guitars. Same thing with the whole lotta humbuckers in walnut. They sound good but don't have the same bite as whole lotta humbucker in mahogany with a maple cap.

I have a Walnut San Dimas style guitar (Musikraft) that has a Mahogany+Rosewood neck with a Gibson scale and I have it loaded with a Dimebucker in the bridge and a Screamin Demon in the neck...awesome combo! (IMO) The Demon can get really Straty tones especially with the volume knob dialed back. The Screamin Demon is just awesome in the neck--articulate yet very smooth. I would definitely recommend the combo for Walnut.

 

[mouse ears]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I settled on a jazz/59 hybrid in the neck and jazz/screamin' demon hybrid with rough cast A5 in the bridge.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I settled on a jazz/59 hybrid in the neck and jazz/screamin' demon hybrid with rough cast A5 in the bridge.

Sweet! What are your thoughts on it man?

 

[mouse ears]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

It's kind of what you would expect. It's vintage output pretty similar to the whole lotta humbucker, but a bit brighter and less aggressive sounding. It's less open than the demon and stronger/more aggressive than the jazz.

 

[allstarrme]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

did you use the jazz bridge or jazz neck for the jazz/demon bridge pickup?

 

[mouse ears]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I used the jazz bridge.

 

[AJK1]

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Try a neck WLH in the bridge, as I use a Neck WLH in the bridge of one of my LP's with a Jazz in the neck as the bridge WLH was just too bassy and strong, and the combo sounds amazing.

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Try a neck WLH in the bridge, as I use a Neck WLH in the bridge of one of my LP's with a Jazz in the neck as the bridge WLH was just too bassy and strong, and the combo sounds amazing.

That's pretty bad advice as the neck WLH is a lot (and I do mean a lot) more "bassy" than the bridge WLH. Perhaps you had something wired wrong.

 

[AJK1]

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That's pretty bad advice as the neck WLH is a lot (and I do mean a lot) more "bassy" than the bridge WLH. Perhaps you had something wired wrong.

Tokai LS98C MIJ
SD Antiquity Jazz -neck
SD WLH (neck) -bridge
Both non-stamped

Hmmm, not in my experience it isn't
They were all wired correctly by the way.
So how do you come to that conclusion ?
Have you done the same as me ?

 

[Snake Aces]

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Tokai LS98C MIJ
SD Antiquity Jazz -neck
SD WLH (neck) -bridge
Both non-stamped

Hmmm, not in my experience it isn't
They were all wired correctly by the way.
So how do you come to that conclusion ?
Have you done the same as me ?

Maybe you don't understand the physics behind how pickup placement works or even how pickup winders keep these physics in mind when they wind pickups that will sound good in their natural position. Very rarely does a pickup sound good out of it's intended position and it's practically unheard of for most pickups to sound "better" in a position it was not intended to be used in. There are a few exceptions of course like the Screamon Demon for example which sound killer in the neck position.

So, since you want to go around giving people bad advice and then question why I have come to the same conclusion and even go as far as to saw have I done the same as you (as if that qualifies as a pre-requisite of some sorts) then I will just let your one guitar experience speak for itself versus the many, many Warmoth builds I have done with multiple pickup and neck swaps in them, or the Gibson Les Pauls with pickup swaps, Epiphone Les Pauls with pickup swaps, Fender Strats (with pickup and neck swaps too) and some others.

I don't mean to raz you, you're new here so welcome. However, telling people to put a neck WLH in the bridge is definitely bad advice if it's based on the idea that the bridge version is too "bassy" Again, the neck version always is and always will be more "bassy" than the bridge version as that is the way humbuckers are designed generally speaking. If they want a WLH they should buy and put the bridge version for the bridge position. If you had based your advice on a more logical reason then there would be no big deal but the "bassy" reasoning just doesn't make sense.

 

[AJK1]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

Maybe you don't understand the physics behind how pickup placement works or even how pickup winders keep these physics in mind when they wind pickups that will sound good in their natural position. Very rarely does a pickup sound good out of it's intended position and it's practically unheard of for most pickups to sound "better" in a position it was not intended to be used in. There are a few exceptions of course like the Screamon Demon for example which sound killer in the neck position.

So, since you want to go around giving people bad advice and then question why I have come to the same conclusion and even go as far as to saw have I done the same as you (as if that qualifies as a pre-requisite of some sorts) then I will just let your one guitar experience speak for itself versus the many, many Warmoth builds I have done with multiple pickup and neck swaps in them, or the Gibson Les Pauls with pickup swaps, Epiphone Les Pauls with pickup swaps, Fender Strats (with pickup and neck swaps too) and some others.

I don't mean to raz you, you're new here so welcome. However, telling people to put a neck WLH in the bridge is definitely bad advice if it's based on the idea that the bridge version is too "bassy" Again, the neck version always is and always will be more "bassy" than the bridge version as that is the way humbuckers are designed generally speaking. If they want a WLH they should buy and put the bridge version for the bridge position. If you had based your advice on a more logical reason then there would be no big deal but the "bassy" reasoning just doesn't make sense.

I hate to say it, but most of your statements are bad advice and just false, check with some pickup manufacturers before making statements like these.

 

[Securb]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I hate to say it, but most of your statements are bad advice and just false, check with some pickup manufacturers before making statements like these.

I play a WLH set in my Les Paul. The bridge is indeed a lot bassier than the neck. If the OP is finding the WLH bridge to be bassy, replacing it with the WLH neck pickup will not help in anyway. I would suggest maybe trying a Gibson 57 plus. The reason most people pull them out of their Les Pauls is they find them to be a bit bright. I personally pulled mine for that reason and replaced them with the WLH set. You can find them pretty cheap on Ebay used. I am sure someone around here has one laying around.

 

[AJK1]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I play a WLH set in my Les Paul. The bridge is indeed a lot bassier than the neck. If the OP is finding the WLH bridge to be bassy, replacing it with the WLH neck pickup will not help in anyway. I would suggest maybe trying a Gibson 57 plus. The reason most people pull them out of their Les Pauls is they find them to be a bit bright. I personally pulled mine for that reason and replaced them with the WLH set. You can find them pretty cheap on Ebay used. I am sure someone around here has one laying around.

Well, I replaced the bridge WLH with the neck WLH in the bridge position and it decreased the bass, so go figure ??

 

[Snake Aces]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

I hate to say it, but most of your statements are bad advice and just false, check with some pickup manufacturers before making statements like these.

What are you even running your mouth for? You make a false statement about the bass of a pickup when in fact you mean mids. If your ears can't tell the difference between more mids or more bass than that's on you, not me.

Yes, the WLH bridge has more MIDS than the neck WLH. The neck WLH has more BASS than the bridge WLH. Period. Check your ears before calling me out.

 

[AJK1]

Re: whole lotta humbucker too dark in walnut

What are you even running your mouth for? You make a false statement about the bass of a pickup when in fact you mean mids. If your ears can't tell the difference between more mids or more bass than that's on you, not me.

Yes, the WLH bridge has more MIDS than the neck WLH. The neck WLH has more BASS than the bridge WLH. Period. Check your ears before calling me out.

I emailed a few pickup manufacturers and they said to try it as there are no RULES only GUIDELINES as to pickup placement etc.
So I did, and got the results I was looking for.
I was only trying to share my real-world experience with others, as I got great results and thought it would be helpful, cheers.