Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

SlowHand87

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I am wanting to install a new set of pickups in a 2011 Gibson Les Paul Classic Plus.

I primarily play blues/rock and classic rock

I play through a fender twin and use a few dirt pedals.

I am torn between the "Whole Lotta Humbucker" set and "Saturday Night Special" set.

I'd like to hear your thoughts/opinions/reviews of the pickups in question.
 
Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

This is something I recently had some experience with. The Saturday Night Specials are good pickups, but I like the Whole Lotta a lot more. To me the SNS were kind of plain or something. The Whole Lottas have a lot of character and a little more output.
 
Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

This is something I recently had some experience with. The Saturday Night Specials are good pickups, but I like the Whole Lotta a lot more. To me the SNS were kind of plain or something. The Whole Lottas have a lot of character and a little more output.

Agreed. I feel the same about every A4 pickup I've heard so far. Just sounds plain and kinda boring.
 
Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

The WLH set sort of sounds like a traditional PAF set, but a little louder. The EQ profile is the same. The SNS set seems a little hotter as well, but has less mids and a little more treble. So pick the EQ profile you are going for. Both 'feel' about the same.
 
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I think A4 pickups do depend a lot more on your rig than a usual pickup. If you take a pickup with a generally even tone response into a whole line of transparent pickups into a balanced amp, it will sound boring.

A4 pickups are great however, if you know how to make effective use of your pedals to color your tone as well as have a "colorful" amplifier.

For modders out there, if the general EQ of a pickup follows the general EQ associated with the magnet, an A4 will be more susceptible to what I describe above.
 
Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

im curious to try the sns. i dont use pedals much, mostly guitar->cable->amp turned up. i figured i can always swap magnets if the a4 doesnt suit me
 
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A4 is such an underappreciated magnet. I think if a pickup is designed around A4 to take advantage of its distinct qualities, then it will be a great pickup. I keep several A4's around and am always trying them out on guitars. I even put one in a Breed to tame it a bit and the results were subtle, but it did exactly what I hoped for. I made it just a bit more level.

Here's the misconceptions. First of all A4 doesn't have a "flat" EQ as I often see it described. In a way, it's kind of like a less pronounced A2 high end and A5 low end, and the mids somewhere in between. You could say that A5 has a somewhat scooped midrange as I have read it described. I wouldn't necessarily say it's scooped, but it you use the typical description to compare A4, then A4 could be said to be a little more balanced. When I say balanced, it doesn't mean plain or bland. If anything, the bass and treble is slightly tamed, but in all other regards very much like an A5. It has a good output too. If you were to replace an A5 with an A4, you wouldn't notice a drop in output at all.

What I find A4 most useful for is for boomy neck pickups or A2 pickups that need a little bit more of everything. If you have a Custom Custom then swap an A5 to make it a Custom 5, and you don't really like what you hear so much, then you probably should try an A4. I also find A4 useful to drop the output of ceramic pickups. I struggled with my Duncan Distortion for a while then finally swapped an A4 and it was almost the same but a little less of everything... and less irritating.

The Saturday Night Special sounds like the Duncan guys came up with a pretty good sounding PAF and said "nah, we need something different to set it apart," then decided to drop an A4 and call it a day. My experience with the SNS is that it wasn't specifically designed around the A4. The A4 is pretty organic, has a nice output, and can go into a hot wound pickup. I think a vintage wound pickup is harder to get right with A4.

Compare a David Allen P-51 Mustang against a Duncan Saturday Night Special and you'll know exactly what I mean. Then you'll be like, "Ah, now I know what you're talking about." There's another pickup builder I bought from probably 5 years ago and have struggled to remember his name. I remember he was not from America, maybe Great Britain, but his prices were great and he was making a few variations of vintage PAFs. I ordered a set with A4 and they were some of the best pickups I ever bought. I ended up selling the guitar and didn't even give a thought to replacing the pickups, and now I can't remember who it was. There are so many now that I doubt I can find him again.

This all reminds me of Reinhold Bogner and how he designs amps. I read his biography some years ago and remembered one of the things that first fascinated him were vacuum tubes. He designed the Shiva around EL34's and it was great, but I read somewhere it was born out of the mods he used to make to people's Marshalls, so he took a different approach with the 20th anniversary which sounds very different. He chose to design that amp around KT88's. I've owned both versions KT88 & EL34, and can tell you with certainty that KT88's are what were meant to be in there. Then he changed the XTC101B circuit around and designed it with 6L6 in mind, then the 20th XTC was born. I bought one and it was the greatest amp I ever owned. Unfortunately I eventually succumbed to the EL34 hype, sold it and got one with EL34s, but it was not so great as people say. Now I can tell you with great certainty that it's better with 6L6.

I believe, and they can argue till they're blue in the face, that if they say they're better with EL34s then they have some kind of fixation that EL34's are somehow better tubes. Whatever Bogner was doing, he said he did specifically with those tubes in mind. I wouldn't even try to disagree because I've played them all.

Anyway, that's what the SNS reminds me of. I'm not saying it's bad because it's a good pickup. It's just a little disappointing because I think Duncan could have put some more mojo in it.
 
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Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

i wouldnt call the sns bridge a vintage type or paf type pup. its supposed to be 9.75k which is way over what any paf would have been and is approaching the limit of how much #42 you can fit on a bobbin which ive heard is what wire they used. the neck pup on the other hand seems, at least on paper fairly vintagy other than i believe it uses #42 poly instead of pe. ill have to get one and see for myself
 
Re: Whole Lotta Humbucker Vs. Saturday Night Special

The WLH is warm and articulate. You may want 500K's for all the pots. I'd definitely choose that over a SNS.
 
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I recently got sme SNS and I love em. Nothing sterile about them!

The neck pickup is great. I generally dislike Humbucker necks because they seem muddy and inarticulate to me. The SNS feels just right - has "woman tone" to spare!

The bridge is thick but not over compressed. It is very responsive to pick attack. Like Angus Young has been quoted as saying, "don't tickle it; hit it!" I d have to hit it hard to get some drive out of it, but it gets nasty when I do!
 
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