Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

[dystrust]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

Same goes for the Wizard- it's a fine speaker, but does it sound as good as a 70'as Blackback ? ... OTOH, if you are playing covers through budget amps and cobbled together bargain basement Guitar Fetish parts, what difference does it make?

I'm playing a variety of guitars with various SDs through a Marshall Jubilee, with nary a Guitar Fetish part to be found. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[IMENATOR]

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I have read lots of bad comments about OEM speakers they have made for Fender in the past, but it is hard to tell if that is their fault or Fender fault on choosing wrong.

 

[PAPADON]

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I don't know what you've been reading but I think the premise for your thread is simply wrong. Eminence is one of the most popular speaker brands on the market today. A lot of it is about taste but the last Celestion I owned was a pricey $150 English made "Century Vintage G12" and I hated it so much that I stuck it in an old amp and sold the package for $175.

 

[man-in-moon]

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The reason I started the thread. Was on most of the forums I looked on. When ever someone asked for speaker suggestions most of the time you see people suggest celestion.
When I talked to a few local shops they suggested celestion. I'm not saying eminence doesn't get used a lot or that people dont like them. It's just they dont seem to be as popular or get suggested as much .

 

[Demanic]

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As with anything subjective, it's a matter of taste. That and the fact that lots of famous guitarists play or played through Celestions. Though plenty of people have had bad experiences with the lower grade Celestions too.
I like both, but strangely enough I like the Celestions that others tend to dislike, like the 70/80 and the 12M-70. I also have an Eminence Swamp Thang and a Cannabis Rex.

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[VinceT]

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The reason I started the thread. Was on most of the forums I looked on. When ever someone asked for speaker suggestions most of the time you see people suggest celestion.
When I talked to a few local shops they suggested celestion. I'm not saying eminence doesn't get used a lot or that people dont like them. It's just they dont seem to be as popular or get suggested as much .

Yeah, that’s what I took from your post. I think it’s simply the vintage reputation of Celestion, and that for so many years, Amp manufactures have had to justify “its not a Celestion, but...”

All that is aside to pure vintage tone snobs!

Personally, I’ve been able to compare Celestion Blue Alnicos with the equivalent Eminence (Red Fang) and prefer the Eminence - though that’s really about the difference between absolutely flipping amazing and absolutely bloomin’ amazing [emoji6]

And, just by reference, as a Brit raised on all waves of Britpop, Vox AC30 tones are at the core of my soul.


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[Blille]

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The reason I started the thread. Was on most of the forums I looked on. When ever someone asked for speaker suggestions most of the time you see people suggest celestion.
When I talked to a few local shops they suggested celestion. I'm not saying eminence doesn't get used a lot or that people dont like them. It's just they dont seem to be as popular or get suggested as much .

I think it depends on the amp and forum. If you go to TDPRI and ask a replacement for a DRRI you’re more likely to get Eminence (or Weber) than here asking for a Marshall.


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[MetalManiac]

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^ I love the Red Fang, a "bloomin'" fantastic speaker for sure, but I've never heard the Celestion Blue . Plus it ( Red Fang) handles a lot more power then the Blue Celestion which is only 15 watts as opposed to the 50 watts , or 75? of the Red Fang.

I also like some of the OOP speakers that are Alnico from Eminence like the Canis major Hemp cone- a bit smooth, but sparkly and full sounding...pairs well with Cannabis Rex.
Thats another great thing is that the Emi's have so many nice pairings , like the Red fang and Wizard for instance. Eminence customer support is top notch if or should you ave any questions. I'm a great big Eminence fan.

Yeah, If you go on a dedicated Marshall forum, you are likely to get more purists favoring CelEstions, but even at that there are a lot of recommendations for Weber and Eminence as mentioned above. Just to add- I don't know about the Fender Emi's-I'm sure they aren't that good as has been said, but the standard OEM for a lot of aftermarket amps is basically a legend in some of it's iterations, and I really think the Eminence Legend is a very very good standard speaker for many types of Rock and metal.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

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I have read lots of bad comments about OEM speakers they have made for Fender in the past, but it is hard to tell if that is their fault or Fender fault on choosing wrong.

The friend from whom I bought my DRRI hated the OEM Eminence speaker and replaced it with an All-Tone 1250, back when they were a Reverend product. He gave me the Eminence speaker and told me I should swap them back if I ever sold the amp. I took his advice, and I still have the Reverend speaker. It’s probably going in my HRD III, which is another victim of a dodgy factory speaker.

 

[VinceT]

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^ I love the Red Fang, a "bloomin'" fantastic speaker for sure, but I've never heard the Celestion Blue . Plus it ( Red Fang) handles a lot more power then the Blue Celestion which is only 15 watts as opposed to the 50 watts , or 75? of the Red Fang.

I also like some of the OOP speakers that are Alnico from Eminence like the Canis major Hemp cone- a bit smooth, but sparkly and full sounding...pairs well with Cannabis Rex.
Thats another great thing is that the Emi's have so many nice pairings , like the Red fang and Wizard for instance. Eminence customer support is top notch if or should you ave any questions. I'm a great big Eminence fan.

Yeah, If you go on a dedicated Marshall forum, you are likely to get more purists favoring CelEstions, but even at that there are a lot of recommendations for Weber and Eminence as mentioned above. Just to add- I don't know about the Fender Emi's-I'm sure they aren't that good as has been said, but the standard OEM for a lot of aftermarket amps is basically a legend in some of it's iterations, and I really think the Eminence Legend is a very very good standard speaker for many types of Rock and metal.

I should add, for completeness, that Eminence also make the Fillmore 75 speaker in my Mesa Rectoverb 25 and it is a great sounding speaker, especially for such a small combo.

So, I guess that, technically, I have 4 Eminence speakers down in the studio!


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[ItsaBass]

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Eminence seems very popular to me.

I have read lots of bad comments about OEM speakers they have made for Fender in the past, but it is hard to tell if that is their fault or Fender fault on choosing wrong.

Like with budget lines of U.S.A.-made guitars, quality comes down to what the parent company orders their contractors to do...and that usually comes down to little more than how much they are willing to spend. Many OEM speakers that are just so-so are made by speaker companies who make some really excellent products. They're just so-so because that's as good as they could make them within the budget/specs of the company that placed the OEM order.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

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I have read lots of bad comments about OEM speakers they have made for Fender in the past, but it is hard to tell if that is their fault or Fender fault on choosing wrong.

They made the "Lady Luck" speakers in Epi Valve jr. cabs & I think those are excellent..they have a really nice warm, round & crunchy feel/sound to them & the highs are sweet too :bigthumb:

I'd love to get my hands on a pair of them for a DIY 2x12 cab when I'm finished with my Legend GB128 1x12, but they're pretty tough to come across & are'nt even that cheap anymore..

 

[BloodRose]

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Im not privy to any sales figures, but Im guessing Emi (I like my Private Jack) and other companies do great business. I think you hear more about Celestions and they may (probably are) be the sales leader for several reasons. First, the legends used them and their history. Second, people do buy into advertising hype, and they advertise or companies that use them, advertise them as the best. Third, (again this goes to their history) but Marshall uses/used them and Marshall is highly regarded. Forth, I think that because of the history, most everyone knows the brand and or has more experience with them, so when people on forums and such talk, those are the ones all else is either compared to, or used as reference. (example: Im looking for something similar to a V30 and a Greenback, but from a less expensive brand). The celestions are my comparison point as I know lots of players are familiar with those. Lastly, we all know that some people on forums like to parrot....

 

[BloodRose]

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I have owned 4 or 5 different models and I really wanted to like them but I was always left feeling underwhelmed, even after many hours breaking them in. The GB128 was OK and tolerable. It only comes in 8Ω though. Just my experience. I'm using Scumbacks these days.

Metlking, what about the Scumbacks you like so much?

 

[Jacew]

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Eminence seems very popular to me.



Like with budget lines of U.S.A.-made guitars, quality comes down to what the parent company orders their contractors to do...and that usually comes down to little more than how much they are willing to spend. Many OEM speakers that are just so-so are made by speaker companies who make some really excellent products. They're just so-so because that's as good as they could make them within the budget/specs of the company that placed the OEM order.

I'm not so sure they're as good as they can make them. More likely they're as good as they dare to make them. So the amp buyers are going replace them and they can sell aftermarket for a better margin as well.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

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For me it's simply familiarity...I think. Still gassing for some original G12-65's.

With that said I recently heard a shootout that included eminence wizard's and I was very impressed.

 

[IMENATOR]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I don't know what you've been reading but I think the premise for your thread is simply wrong. Eminence is one of the most popular speaker brands on the market today. A lot of it is about taste but the last Celestion I owned was a pricey $150 English made "Century Vintage G12" and I hated it so much that I stuck it in an old amp and sold the package for $175.

Here in Mexico it is easy to get Celestions but very difficult to get Eminence. Because of the geographical situation I would have thought that would be the opposite. From my point of view Eminence is a big brand but Celestion is far more popular.

 

[Chickenwings]

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speaking of emis. Ive owned and used heaps of them from both partriot and redcoat lines. All really good.
Just an update tho...i juist ordered my second Maverick adjustable speaker. They are really great. Been using one in my tweed deluxe for tons of gigs (maybe 100ish) for the past 12 months and it is a godsend. Not just because of the adjustable output, but because it is a great sounding speaker in its own right.
Anyways, I'm putting this one into a princeton reverb II to use in a different band. Fantastic sounding amp when the master is cranked and the input volume is on 6 but lets face it...even 22watts is too much for the vast majority of gigs. Even big stages where you can get away with it, you still are too loud for the rest of the band and if you are singing, it it too much guitar to let yourself sing with any kind of dynamic range. Having the ability to get the best out of an amp getting all the touch sensitivity, harmonics and power tube compression at useable volumes is bloody fantastic. It is the kind of thing that makes the whole band sound better.
Here's to eminence.

 

[FuseG4]

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texas heat is way cool
and while my eminence lightning bolt speaker lacks "wow factor" it's a solid all around good speaker

 

[Lewguitar]

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I’ve liked some Eminence speakers but haven’t loved any. I’m a Celestion guy. Generally speaking, the tones are crunchier and more complex. More honk, in a good way, too. Eminence sound American. I like more of a British sound.

My faves are the Alnico blues and G12h30’s...but even the Vintage 30 sounds more interesting to me than any Eminence I’ve played.

I use Celestions in my old blackface Fenders and with my AC30.