Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

[Powdered Toast Man]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I have read lots of bad comments about OEM speakers they have made for Fender in the past, but it is hard to tell if that is their fault or Fender fault on choosing wrong.

I recall reading something that for a speaker manufacturer to get into an OEM line for an amp maker they have to supply them for something like $14 a unit. This is why you generally see lousy OEM grade speakers from ALL speaker manufacturers in most production amp lines. Celestion has their own cheapo variants as well (70/80 or the Ten Thirty come to mind).

And don't kid yourself. Fender has put the cheapest possible speakers available into their amps from day one. Leo Fender was famous for picking up deals wherever he could which is why there's such a revolving door of speakers in all the old amps from the 50's and 60's. If cheap Chinese speakers had existed in that era you can be sure they would have been in those amps as well.

All things considered I prefer Weber for my aftermarket needs. My thought is out of the available options I'm going to go with the company that makes them to order for me to my specs for the same price as the company that makes them in China and sells them at a massive markup.

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[FuseG4]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I like the Eminence lightning bolt that came in my super sonic. It's not so bright like those c12k in the drri that make pedals sound buzzy and fizzy at low volumes and take your head off with ice pick unless you take out the bright cap.
The lightning bolt is maybe lacking distinction and character but it's not offensive in any way. Has a decent crunch when pushed and the top end comes through well and there's some low mids.
The older fender special design speakers sounded harsh to me but these lightning bolt that come in the blues Jr and supersonic 22 area little underrated

 

[SrDeMaFp]

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I actually prefer Eminence. Got a Texas Heat and Swamp Thang quad in my 4x12. Sound yuuuuuge.

 

[Demanic]

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I actually prefer Eminence. Got a Texas Heat and Swamp Thang quad in my 4x12. Sound yuuuuuge.

This is a combo that I've always wanted to try.

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[BloodRose]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I actually prefer Eminence. Got a Texas Heat and Swamp Thang quad in my 4x12. Sound yuuuuuge.

I looked those two models up and looks like one favors low end (Swamp Thing) and the other (Texas Heat), high end.. So I imagine they make for a pretty full soundscape. How well does the Swamp thing work with standard tunings ?

 

[Rex_Rocker]

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I looked those two models up and looks like one favors low end (Swamp Thing) and the other (Texas Heat), high end.. So I imagine they make for a pretty full soundscape. How well does the Swamp thing work with standard tunings ?

I'd actually say both are kinda smoky dark (at least compared to Celestions). The Swamp Thang is more open and louder, though.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I think Eminence is in no way unpopular, so I'm going to say that that is a misconception. Eminence USA makes an outstanding product line, with the best warranty in the the business. If I am not mistaken, the Eminence range of speakers runs more efficient in SPL than Celestions, so although a complement of Celstions and Emis is , from my experience, going to sound great as long as you get the synergy right, it won't be perfect.
I belive Emience speakers are great, but as far as sound, British made Celestions have a decisive edge insofar as classic rock and classic metal goes. Fur modern metal i think Eminence is fine. I don't buy Chinese speakers ( or any chinese gear) so i am not even going there.

Wish I could afford to not buy Chinese

 

[Jacew]

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Wish I could afford to not buy Chinese

There's nothing wrong with chinese Celestions. There are slight differences in every speaker depending on how much and in what conditions it has been used. I attribute the differences people claim to hear between UK and Chinese Celestions to that. They just read they're made in China and find reason there.

Without reading the back of speaker, no one would notice the difference.

 

[Sirion]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

There's nothing wrong with chinese Celestions. There are slight differences in every speaker depending on how much and in what conditions it has been used. I attribute the differences people claim to hear between UK and Chinese Celestions to that. They just read they're made in China and find reason there.

Without reading the back of speaker, no one would notice the difference.

George Lynch told a story about a great-sounding cab* he rented for a production. One of the conditions for the rental was that he was not to open it up, which he of course did, and found that the cabinet was loaded with "crappy" (his word) Chinese Celestions. Sometimes these things just work.

*: In case somebody should still be sceptical about the 80s, take my word that George has done a lot of tone searching over the years, and, to my ears, at least, consistently had the best tone of any of the LA guitarists from the late 70s to the early 90s. He knows his stuff.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

There's nothing wrong with chinese Celestions. There are slight differences in every speaker depending on how much and in what conditions it has been used. I attribute the differences people claim to hear between UK and Chinese Celestions to that. They just read they're made in China and find reason there.

Without reading the back of speaker, no one would notice the difference.

Knock yourself out..as for me , my Celestions are made in the good 'ol U of K. Literally NONE of my gear,including pedals and pickups, is made in teh Peoples Republic ( I have a 6505-guess where it was made..no, not China like they are now..right here in the great state of Mississip!) ..well except for some of my cheaper stuff like cables and tuners ( not tuning pegs-they are made in USA or Germany). I do have some Japanese stuff and Korean stuff, but like Chinese, I do not now, nor have I ever ,nor *will I ever buy anything froem Indonesia. Heck, I don't even buy Mexican .
Now this is not to imply I am better than you..just different ( WAY different).
Well, thats about all I wanted to say, I'm glad i got that off my chest, and now I can die happy.

(Caveat; I'm sure there is some master Luthier in China who I would be glad to own his guitar.)

 

[Little Pigbacon]

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Isn’t there an Eminence that’s often recommended for the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe? They say something like, “It keeps what’s good about the HRD while improving on the main areas where it’s needed.”

 

[Rex_Rocker]

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Isn’t there an Eminence that’s often recommended for the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe? They say something like, “It keeps what’s good about the HRD while improving on the main areas where it’s needed.”

Texas Heat? Cannabis Rex?

 

[Little Pigbacon]

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Texas Heat? Cannabis Rex?

The descriptions from Eminence point in the direction of C-Rex for me. I’ll see how things go with the Reverend speaker.

 

[Securb]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

Perhaps many associate Eminence with the Fender Special Design speakers, and that is the problem.

Those are not bad speakers I have then in a great sounding 4x12. Another forum bro bought the same FM412 and is very happy with it.

I also have a pair of Wheelhouse 12s in my Marshall cab that sound amazeballs.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

they sound better in a 4x12 than they do in a combo.

the texas heat is usually the speaker i see suggested for the hrd. i love my crex too but dont know if it would be the first thing id suggest for the hrd

 

[misterwhizzy]

Re: Why aren't eminence speakers more popular?

I think it's simply because there aren't as many well-known guitarists with massive albums using them. You can't go back and rerecord the breakthrough albums of Zeppelin, AC/DC, Guns 'N Roses, etc., and people want those tones that came from Celestion speakers.

Not necessarily true about AC/DC, because they've rerecorded themselves over a dozen times now, but you get the point.