Why do so many people dislike vintage noiseless strat pups

Re: Why do so many people dislike vintage noiseless strat pups

Nice attitude :earl:

To put it another way, there'd be no need for noiseless pickups, including HUM-buckers, if I was wrong !!!!
 
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Re: Why do so many people dislike vintage noiseless strat pups

Nice attitude :earl:

To put it another way, there'd be no need for noiseless pickups, including HUM-buckers, if I was wrong !!!!


oh my god

can someone else step in, here?

is he always like this?
 
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I extended an invitation to prove I'm right and you made it personal.

The fact is, your guitars and in fact your gear, as amazing as it sounds, would make so much noise in some of the venues I play, that you'd be forced to cancel your gig.

The minute you turned up your volume knob, the noise would drown out the rest of the band.
That's not " opinion " that's a fact.

Some of the old workingmen's clubs, as they're known in the UK, have what is called 3 phase wiring.

This is now banned but as it's too expensive for the poorer clubs to upgrade, it's still present.

The stage could be on one phase one one side of the stage but the other side, the lights, bar equipment and everything else, could be on one or more others.
This is extremely dangerous and I have actually been electrocuted on stage once.
At its simplest, it induces noise way above what you're 60cycle hum sounds like.
Any single coil pickup would scream as soon as it's used.

So I reiterate, what's the point of amazing tone if noone can hear you ?

If you only play with a clean or lightly overdriven tone you'll get away with it but the second you need a high gain tone, look out.
 
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I don't need to prove sh1t to you. I don't even know you.

I use a USA Tele with the stock singles and a Gibson SG Classic with P-90s live at venues with bad PAs and faulty wiring all the time with my band. I'm running them through a Splawn Quick Rod / Splawn 4x12 with no noise gate and it's not that big of a problem. It only makes noise when I don't play, and that's what the volume knob is for.

I don't have a problem with noiseless singles. Use whatever ****ing pickups you want. I'm taking exception to your completely baseless comment that guys who use real single coils for high could not possibly gig professionally or be anything but a bedroom player. You're talking out of your ass, and you're incorrect.

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I extended an invitation to prove I'm right and you made it personal.

You are hilarious.

Thank you for your gracious invitation to the lovely South Wales. Being that I am located some three-thousand-eight-hundred miles away on a different continent, I must decline. Perhaps another time.

The fact is, your guitars and in fact your gear, as amazing as it sounds, would make so much noise in some of the venues I play, that you'd be forced to cancel your gig.

I've never cancelled a gig over 60-cycle hum, but it sounds like you have some kind of regionally-specific super hum; the likes of which I've never had to face here in the United States. I'll have to defer to your experience here, I suppose.

The minute you turned up your volume knob, the noise would drown out the rest of the band.
That's not " opinion " that's a fact.

Some of the old workingmen's clubs, as they're known in the UK, have what is called 3 phase wiring.

This is now banned but as it's too expensive for the poorer clubs to upgrade, it's still present.

The stage could be on one phase one one side of the stage but the other side, the lights, bar equipment and everything else, could be on one or more others.
This is extremely dangerous and I have actually been electrocuted on stage once.
At its simplest, it induces noise way above what you're 60cycle hum sounds like.
Any single coil pickup would scream as soon as it's used.

So I reiterate, what's the point of amazing tone if noone can hear you ?

If you only play with a clean or lightly overdriven tone you'll get away with it but the second you need a high gain tone, look out.

That certainly sounds dreadful.

I would think that, if by some unseen twist of fate, I ever found myself working the rough-and-tumble gigging circuit of South Wales workingmen's clubs, replete with their 3-phase live-performer-electrocution systems, I might get some noiseless single coils or just use humbuckers - or at least be moved to do so after my first hum-related gig cancellation.

You see, here in America, the wiring isn't always perfect and the situation isn't always ideal, but most of the time single coils are OK. I don't always use them. I tend to go back and forth between them, in fact, but I do use them for high gain and I do gig, so you assertion about bedroom players et al isn't wholly accurate on a macro scale.

Now, if you'd said "Here on the muddy banks of the Bristol Channel, where our pub taps are electrified and our toilets are filled with electric eels, you'll find only bedroom players would dare use single coil pickups for more than moderate distortion, lest the great 3-phase beast of perdition come tumbling down from the peaks of Pen y Fan and consume thee, body and soul!"

...we would never have had this argument. ;)
 
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There's more noise in this thread than an unpotted high output single coil in a South Wales working-man club. :D
 
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Something just occurred to me and I'm probably pissing gasoline on a fire, but.....

Most of Black Sabbath's early albums were recorded with an SG loaded w/ P90's in the early 70's, same goes for a lot of Deep Purple, um Hendrix etc...I'm no electrician, engineer, or historian of said things, but my guess is, all of those guys played in the same situations with, what is now outdated wiring that Wolf there is complaining about, and they seemed to have done alright.

In the case of Sabbath, you're not going to get a much better example of hi gain through singles than their first 2 albums. In theory, he probably had it a little worse than Strat players. Bigger magnets, more wire on the coil = better conductor for noise. I don't think I've ever read an interview of Tony talking about his tone back then and complaining about hum. Where would metal players be today if Tony had given up on Sabbath because of 60 cycle hum. Oh the despair.
 
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Matt, I'm in the 4 Winds in Port Talbot on thurs night this week.

Feel free to come along and we'll put the noise to the test.

I'll be using my Anderson with Kinmans.
 
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9finger, there are loads of stories relating to our wiring.

David Gilmour was also electrocuted once and was famously thrown to the back of the drums.

The guitarist from the Sensational Alex Harvey Band was killed on stage by the same issue.

There are loads of stories about Iommi hasseling JD to solve his noise issues inc heavily potting his pickups and it led to designing the ones he still uses.

I was lucky, I was blown off my feet and only saved by my RCD, although it melted, and also destroyed my original TS808.
 
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Gary Moore- stock 61 strat- metric buttload of gain. Worked for him for years.

Sounds like you need to move wolf, not get noiseless pickups and tell everyone else in the world you are right, and they are wrong.
 
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Jeff, you need to check your facts before you wade in with the insults.

Gary Moore's Strat was shielded heavily by Charlie Chandler and again by Pete Cornish because at the time there was no such thing as Noiseless Singles.

In the end he retired the guitar because he couldn't deal with the noise on stage but continued to record with it.

I've played that Strat and it's beautiful by the way, actually the nicest Strat I've ever played.
 
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This argument has and will no doubt rage forever.

The fact is, noiseless singles were invented to cope with hum.

I settled on Kinmans because at the time, nothing else was close and I loved their tone and couldn't use my Strat on stage with Suhr V60LP singles.

Duncan are continuing to perfect their design because the demand is there for them.
 
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wolf...its great that your rig works for you in the venues you use it.
You might notice that noone is upset at your pickup choice....
I think the issue here is your stated assumption that anyone who does not use noiseless singles is by definition a bedroom player, and could not possibly be a working musician. That kind of thing tends to put people's noses out of joint.
Just think first before making these sweeping generaliziations, and you'll find people are a lot more amenable to your point of view.
 
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Dude you insulted everyone who plays regular singles in your first "bedroom wanker" post (although I am one of them!) . So give up the "HELP! , I'm being oppressed" B.S.

Its worked for alot of famous guitar players for alot of years. And they dealt with the noise. Including Gary. And many still do even though noiseless pups are available. Robin Trower off the top of my head. KWS is another..and I'm sure many other folks can chime in with more.

Bottom Line- Opinions are great, we all have them, but assuming yours is the only correct one, and being obstinate about it pisses people off. I can certainly understand why you get "attacked" whenever you bring this topic up.
 
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I've never said mine is the only right opinion.

I've repeatedly said that in some circumstances, my own being an example, true singles are totally useless and any small difference in tone is irrelevant.

In that case, noiseless are the best option.
 
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9finger, there are loads of stories relating to our wiring.

David Gilmour was also electrocuted once and was famously thrown to the back of the drums.

The guitarist from the Sensational Alex Harvey Band was killed on stage by the same issue.

There are loads of stories about Iommi hasseling JD to solve his noise issues inc heavily potting his pickups and it led to designing the ones he still uses.

I was lucky, I was blown off my feet and only saved by my RCD, although it melted, and also destroyed my original TS808.


I know I speak for everyone here when I say how glad we are that you survived.

Perhaps you should move? Or is it a "lightening never strikes the same spot twice" kind of thing?
 
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Thanks.
I learned how to check if the problem exists at a venue and bought a socket tester that I plug in to the socket I intend to use.

Anything other than 3 green lights means danger. :eyecrazy:

Since then I've only had to refuse to perform at one venue.

By the way, if anyone from South Wales is on here, avoid Mountain Ash Workies.. that was where I was electrocuted !!
 
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^ That's got to be the best use of that emoticon I've ever seen. :)

So how did the electrocution occur?? Did it come through your guitar, or was it one of those times where it arcs off the microphone screen into your face?
 
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Yea, as I approached the mic I felt a tingle on my lips.

As usual I touched the stand and a bolt hit me in the mouth.
It blew me off my feet and badly burnt my mouth.
The venue originally tried to blame my equipment and refused to replace the damaged items.

The health and safety investigtors that the musician's union used reckon that the mains outlets on the stage were all connected to different phases and even though the surge melted my RCD, without one I would have been killed !

Best £10 I ever spent !:1:

Out of the compensation I received, I bought a decent radio mic as I was told that as a guitar player, it was the safest way to ensure I would never be at risk from an earth loop shock again.
 
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