Why I'm frustrated with Jackson

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Well good for you, Humphrey.

I though so, too: those pics I saw of your Def Leppard artwork dinky Jackson definitely say 'introverted female folk songwriter guitar' to me.
 
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Yes- I agree. Jackson just isn't the same innovative company that was a major player in the 80's LA Hair Metal scene. I recall that the back pages of their catalog had a good 2 pages of endorsements (it was pretty small type, too!). You could always go the custom $hop route, but in the real world I suppose car insurance and rent have first priority.

It appears that ESP is the New Jackson as of late. They have PLENTY of non-trem mahogany guitars- in many different shapes too! Jackson seems to have lost it's way these days. Can you really name any new, pertinent players who are playing Jacksons? Oh- there's that guy from Effervescence (whatever), but I guess as long as your just playing power chords you can pletty much play any kind of guitar. No matter how crappy it is. :p

Very Metal. :firedevil :headbang: :firedevil
 
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Hot _Grits said:
Well good for you, Humphrey.

I though so, too: those pics I saw of your Def Leppard artwork dinky Jackson definitely say 'introverted female folk songwriter guitar' to me.

No, bad for me. Why would it be good?
What "it" says to you is of no great importance.

For your information: It is not a dinky, it is a Soloist.
Another thing: My custom Soloist is not my only Jackson.

If you think you can classify me into your distorted categories by analyzing the look of my guitar, you are mistaken.
Glad to disappoint you.
 
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Not a folkie? -damn. I thought I had it wired.

Another try:

mustachioed alt country bell-bottom dude? -those guys love their original flat mount kahlers...

Hard bop revivalist? - I can just see that plank getting a workout in Wynton Marsalis's band...

Outside of that, possibly surf music. Everyone knows all the real surf guys thought jazzmasters and strats were inferior in most ways to the jackson superstrat...

I stand corrected about the dinky business.

And you know, all that matters is that you love that guitar and play it as best you can, you old disco/ragtime/modern classical/blues fusion/experimental punk rock/polka guy, you...
 
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JohnJohn said:
Ever play a Jackson bass?Believe me they are doing the world a favour by not going huge into that market.

As much as I resent having to say it: I agree ;)
 
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Jackson is not that bad, they let you get what you want from the custom shop, If you want a nice fixed bridge guitar that is not a boat anchor like a les paul, pony up and get a PRS with a sweet switch, for all kinds of different tones.
 
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WOW. LOL!!!! Talk about resurrecting an old thread.

This thread is from 2004. That's 5 years ago!!! lol

Chances are, Jackson has changed quite significantly since that time...
 
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wow. Lol!!!! Talk about resurrecting an old thread.

This thread is from 2004. That's 5 years ago!!! Lol

chances are, jackson has changed quite significantly since that time...

+1

And the original poster hasn't been here in 4 years.
 
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Well, this would probably be better presented over at he Jackson / Charvel forum where at least occasionally someone from JCMI drops in to read, over here at the SD Forum Jackson reps aren´t really too interested in what goes on for the most part ;)

While many or your bones are valid ones, There´s one important thing to note here. The 2 companies in this comparison also operate with completely different mentalities.... and this directly affects their product lines. Essentially one refuses to devalue it´s name by catering to every budget minded beginner on Earth, and the other does exactly that on purpose. Let me try to explain...

The Jackson USA Select Lineup and before it the USA Professionals have ALWAYS been comprised of the most commonly ordered Custom shop options. If more people ordered for example Warriors without a Trem from the CS, then it would become a USA select model. Jackson has always been a Custom Shop first and a production line catering to instant gratification second. And this is one of the main reasons that the production offerings in the USA line have stayed the same for quite some time, because the people ordering custom Jacksons are still ordering the exact same things for the most part, and as a result the exact same options get offered in the not quite as prestigous USA select line.

ESP on the other hand simply copies what it´s endorsees want, and markets these as ESP signature models most players won´t be willing to spring for. Then they come out with a significantly lower cost (and quality) LTD version that is cosmetically identical and boasts many of the same features, and the kids go wild thinking they now have the exact same thing as a $4k guitar for $1000. This is an industrial mindset: Advertise the best of the best, sell primarily lower cost versions of it, and blur the customer´s sense of quality in the process so as to save even more next year. And this marketing has worked for ESP ever since the days where they designed their first unique body shape and stopped producing outright forgeries of Jacksons, Gibsons and Fenders. ESP also leverages things like copyright laws and similar wherever they can, for example outside the US market they still produce forgeries and call them Edwards. They can´t import them into the US for exactly that reason,. they´d be confiscated and destroyed at customs because they´re clear violations of Intellectual Property. But as soon as a private person imports one from Ishiubashi or whatever they´re called, it suddenly becomes legal to import the instrument.

Looking at these practices, it´s pretty clear that ESP more or less embodies the term "Evil Corporation". And that´s where most peoples` gripe with ESP lies, not only that of Jackson afficionados.

Re the basses...

Jackson Basses were around for years, constantly being introduced and then discontinued 2-3 years later, and some of them such as the Antigrav series were years ahead of their time. None of them ever had decent sales numbers, essentially everytime Jackson makes a Bass it gets torn apart by tha bass playing community for either being not innovative enough or too whacked out.

The whole reason ESP, Ibanez and such are constantly offering such unbelievably diverse models at almost any price point is that they´re after anybody that they can possibly get, both as customers and endorsees. This is a typical Japanese industrial mindset, hook them as young as possible, to raise your chances of a followup sale when then buy their next guitar.

Jackson on the other hand doesn´t even offer free guitars to their endorsees, just cheaper. The mindset here being that the small fish will often switch from their 500$ budget guitar anyway to a moire prestigous brand that is known to offer higher quality. As a result, Jackson´s budget offerings are intentionally sparse, because Jackson was never intended as a budget guitar line for every Tom, Dick and Harry. So they don´t attempt to do so.

One of the overall results of this is that these days there are tons of ESP endorsees getting IMO shafted by being "directed" to play LTD instruments (Thereby fuirther marketing LTD as a top of the line instrument which is an obvious lie), wheras a Jackson endorsee is still playing a USA Jackson, which IS a top of the line instrument and doesn´t need huge marketing campaigns and dozens of cheap endorsees to prove it ;)
 
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LOL, I didn´t notice this was a zombie until I had already posted :laugh2:
 
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Yeah what Zerb said...

I think for as great as Jackson USA Selects are, they're quite affordable.
 
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2) Jackson doesn't produce guitars for the non-trem player.



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Ummm…. I almost dropped a lot of $$$$ on a Jackson the other day. Jackson makes my 3rd favorite guitar ever made now w/ 100% less Trem. (The only thing ever holding me back from buying one was the trem)

I’ve always wanted a white Jackson V with black outline…maybe someday.
 
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Ummm…. I almost dropped a lot of $$$$ on a Jackson the other day. Jackson makes my 3rd favorite guitar ever made now w/ 100% less Trem. (The only thing ever holding me back from buying one was the trem)

I’ve always wanted a white Jackson V with black outline…maybe someday.

Just for the record: The RR1 and in the early 90s the Rhoads Pro /Rhoads Custom were always available as a hardtail and /or lefthanded. This will always be the case as the original "finalized" Rhoads also had a Tune-O-Matic. It´s an homage to Randy ;)
 
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Just for the record, Jacksons are not real metal, humbucked strats are.
 
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"Jackson is a company that appears completely close-minded to the demands of current players."

"Clearly, it's easier to find the metal guitar you want from ESP."

"ESP obviously is doing a better job of keeping up with current players' demands."

"ESP, on the other hand, sells 27 different basses."

"I'm talking about completely legitimate up and coming metal bands that are technically accomplished and looking for an axe to suit their needs. They probably won't find it at Jackson."

"Diversity rocks and Jackson doesn't have it in their guitars."

While I agree on some points with you, like why there are only about three Rhoads models with 24 frets, this thread is the most biased hate thread I've read in a while.

1) I agree. The Kevin Bond Rhoads and the mahog Soloist (FM and QM) are the only three guitars of the top of my head that are mahogany.

2) Not true. Last time I checked, pretty much for every trem'd guitar there is one without a vibrato. Soloist, Rhoads, King V, and Kelly (well, not anymore) have their respective non-vibrato versions.

3) Agreed and disagreed at the same time. Just because you have a extremely diverse product line doesn't mean your products are good. But yeah, don't like 'em much.

Believe it or not, I think they should cater to the trend. Jackson, Ibanez, all the 80's shredder brands were built on innovation. Neck through joints, modern locking vibratos, great upper fret access, etc. But if you think about it, most of them or all of them are using 20 something year old designs. Even ESP.

I don't think of an RG as being more modern than a Soloist. Look at Parker, Rainsong, and more recently Washburn. That's innovation. Carbon fiber, composite fretboards...even though it's not completely new, it's way newer than a hair metal guitar.

And didn't anyone teach you, generalization and stereotypes are very silly? Saying Jackson fans think of themselves as being the elite and bashing everything isn't very accurate. Do you know all of the people who like Jackson in the world? hehe don't think so. Just like I don't think Jackson is necessarily better than ESP, I don't think Fender is necessarily better than Gibson, just like I don't think a Camaro is necessarily better than a Mustang, and I'm sure there are plenty of people like me out there who love Jacksons and also love Ibanez.

I'm 17 and I like Jacksons. I'm not some old guy who's trying to relive his adolescence....

I also think that Jackson should have some more guitars like the Dominion, which in all honesty is very vintage-ish, but different.

Now, some old guy might just say different strokes for different folks, and I'd say he's about **** right!

BTW, no need to sugar coat threads and say you love it then bash it. Unless you're afraid of Zerb hunting you down hehe....
 
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Mt RR5 is string thru, they make King V's, Dinky's & everything in string thru as well as floyded... You fail sir.
 
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