Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
- Thread starter King IzzO)))
- Start date
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
I unwound one coil of a 59 once wanting to put some new wire on it just to see what I could do. I found breaking the wire was a lot easier than I had anticipated, and I knew it was going to be easy to break. However, I wasnt too careful since I did not plan on reusing the wire. Unfortunately that is all the help I can give you at this point.
Also, is this a common thing with the Rio Grandes being built so poorly? I have never owned one but have looked into getting a set. But I will stay away if they are that poorly built.
I unwound one coil of a 59 once wanting to put some new wire on it just to see what I could do. I found breaking the wire was a lot easier than I had anticipated, and I knew it was going to be easy to break. However, I wasnt too careful since I did not plan on reusing the wire. Unfortunately that is all the help I can give you at this point.
Also, is this a common thing with the Rio Grandes being built so poorly? I have never owned one but have looked into getting a set. But I will stay away if they are that poorly built.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
It's moving parts, not air, that causes microphonic pickups, right?
It's moving parts, not air, that causes microphonic pickups, right?
MacBradley
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Yes. Its just air leaves room for parts to move in a coil. If it's potted thoroughly though, it shouldn't matter how loose the coil was wound. The wax will hold the wire in place.
Yes. Its just air leaves room for parts to move in a coil. If it's potted thoroughly though, it shouldn't matter how loose the coil was wound. The wax will hold the wire in place.
DreX
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
In Helmuth Lemme's book, he says that potting the exterior isn't enough, and that the higher end winders will bathe the wire in wax as it's spools on to the coil to make sure it's wax potted inside and out. It would be interesting to know if SD does this.
In Helmuth Lemme's book, he says that potting the exterior isn't enough, and that the higher end winders will bathe the wire in wax as it's spools on to the coil to make sure it's wax potted inside and out. It would be interesting to know if SD does this.
MacBradley
New member
LtKojak
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Due diligence, anyone?
There are several You Tube vids showing precisely how Duncan vacuum-wax pots their p'ups.
Due diligence, anyone?
DreX
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Wax potting after the fact would not be the same thing as waxing the wire as it spools on to the bobbin.
There are several You Tube vids showing precisely how Duncan vacuum-wax pots their p'ups.
Due diligence, anyone?
Wax potting after the fact would not be the same thing as waxing the wire as it spools on to the bobbin.
LtKojak
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Why would anybody do something similar? To what end? :dunno:
copperheadroads
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
I don't think any high end winders do this . & no Seymour don't do this .
LtKojak
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
No offense, but you lost me completely here, man.:boggled:
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
That doesn't make any damn sense Dre. No one does that. The wax would cause all kinds of problems maintaining tension, not to mention that the wax would never penetrate all the way into the spool. In a pickup the windings aren't as tight and there is less wire to penetrate, there is also the sight holes which allow wax in. That's someone jerking your chain. As for how far wax usually penetrates when vacuum potted, the 80's SD was potted (the 70's one was not). When I removed the wire there was wax all the way into the core windings. So however DMZ was potting pickups in the early 80's it was definitely more effective than the Rio Grande method.
I didn't work on this last night, but I'm quite a bit further along than in that pic. I'm getting close to the core, I can see the distortions around the pole openings. I don't envision any problem fitting all the wire onto the SD coil. I will be updating as I progress.
That doesn't make any damn sense Dre. No one does that. The wax would cause all kinds of problems maintaining tension, not to mention that the wax would never penetrate all the way into the spool. In a pickup the windings aren't as tight and there is less wire to penetrate, there is also the sight holes which allow wax in. That's someone jerking your chain. As for how far wax usually penetrates when vacuum potted, the 80's SD was potted (the 70's one was not). When I removed the wire there was wax all the way into the core windings. So however DMZ was potting pickups in the early 80's it was definitely more effective than the Rio Grande method.
I didn't work on this last night, but I'm quite a bit further along than in that pic. I'm getting close to the core, I can see the distortions around the pole openings. I don't envision any problem fitting all the wire onto the SD coil. I will be updating as I progress.
LtKojak
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
You're a brave man. Respect! :notworthy
Hay, King IzzO))); kudos to you and the decision to take on such an ungrateful task, and see it through.
You're a brave man. Respect! :notworthy
LtKojak
New member
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Well?
If it's the Helmut Lemme book, you're not talking about the Litz wire, don't you? Tell me in what page is this actually cited, as maybe a context might be missing somewhere...
Well?
Last edited:
King IzzO)))
Ultimate Kitten Puncher
Re: Winders, is this even worth the effort? Tips?
Meh, maybe you could brush some wax on every so often or something, but I don't really see how you could run the wire through wax as you have a winder going, and I've seen videos of the winding process and none of that monkey business is anywhere to be seen.
Meh, maybe you could brush some wax on every so often or something, but I don't really see how you could run the wire through wax as you have a winder going, and I've seen videos of the winding process and none of that monkey business is anywhere to be seen.
