Wiring 4 push/pull pots like a Triple Shot

lostinthemasses

lostinthemasses

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Well, I've considered joining this forum for over a decade and this debacle has finally brought me to do it. Tried searching for a similar thread, but so many pages of threads popped up I couldn't manage to find something similar.

Ok, I have a 2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard Limited Edition, it has a white binding, white pickup rings, and a white nut, so I threw a white P-Rails Hot bridge/white P-Rails neck and white knobs on it to go with that motif.

Seymour Duncan does not and will not make white Triple Shots.

I've seen several wiring diagrams that are similar to the Triple Shots, but not an exact replication.

So there's two things I've thought of:

1. Wiring 4 push/pull pots the same way.
2. Sacrificing a set of Triple Shots, pulling the circuit board out, pulling the switches off, and wiring the push/pull pots to the switches (obviously only if I can't find a way to do option 1)

Does anyone know how to do option 1 and save me like 60 bucks?

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Re: Wiring 4 push/pull pots like a Triple Shot

Welcome to the forum!

The Duncan site already has 2 versions of push/pull wiring that should get you there.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2_prails_2v_2t_3w_2pp
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2_prails_2v_2t_tspp

Notice each pickup is only using one side of each push/pull. So if you want to separate each pickup to their own set of 2 push/pulls, just wire half the switch per the drawing for each pickup.
 
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Welcome to the forum. Nice axe. What Beau said. ;)
 
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I've seen those diagrams before, for some reason the thought of splitting both sides up never came to mind.

So this is how I need to wire it?



Sorry for using MS Paint, that's all this laptop has.
 
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wire each pickup as follows:

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Run each hot to its respective lug in the 3-way switch.
 
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Cream triple shots not right for you I am guessing ?
 
Re: Wiring 4 push/pull pots like a Triple Shot

Do you think cream triple shots would look good on this guitar? I sure don't.


Ok, so I need to wire it like this then?



Once again sorry for using MS Paint, also I think this one looks worse than the first one.
 
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hermetico said:
wire each pickup as follows:

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Run each hot to its respective lug in the 3-way switch.
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With all respect, it appears that will work but the cross/X stuff in the middle seems unnecessary. There's already a jumper on the outside connecting white to red when switches are down and when you pull up on either switch they don't connect across to anything.
 
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I remember posting something about this as a reply on a SD Facebook status update about 6 months ago and I wound up with 5 different diagrams that were all completely different, so as you can imagine, I definitely want to make sure I have the right diagram before pressing on. The last thing I want to do is rewire this elaborate setup multiple times.
 
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beaubrummels said:
With all respect, it appears that will work but the cross/X stuff in the middle seems unnecessary. There's already a jumper on the outside connecting white to red when switches are down and when you pull up on either switch they don't connect across to anything.
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No prob. This was Artie's way.
After re-thinking a bit on it, I've got a different take.
What I never liked is the way to split to screw, shortcutting the slug coil with itself in the hot path.
Will post a complete solution some time later.
:lmao:
 
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lostinthemasses said:
I remember posting something about this as a reply on a SD Facebook status update about 6 months ago and I wound up with 5 different diagrams that were all completely different, so as you can imagine, I definitely want to make sure I have the right diagram before pressing on. The last thing I want to do is rewire this elaborate setup multiple times.
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Don't worry, there are several ways to achieve the same.
Will post a complete solution for ya.
 
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Man, you even have it where the tone switches are up and the volume switches are down for the P90 coil, it's almost like you were reading my mind. I'm not big on having the push/pull for the volume up for great lenghts of time because it throws me off. Obviously I wanted to use these pickups mainly for combinations between humbucker and p90. I'll get this wired up in the next couple of days and make an update, thanks again!
 
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hermetico said:
wire each pickup as follows:

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Run each hot to its respective lug in the 3-way switch.
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Ok, after another look, I think I see how this one works. Ingenious, but a head-scratcher. The cross/Xs are for the odd settings in between where one side is up and other other is down - they keep white and red connected so you get one coil or the other. Both up disconnects white and red from each other so you get parallel coils. I had to draw each position to figure it out. Sorry for doubting. Your diagrams are pretty much always impeccable.

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beaubrummels said:
Ok, after another look, I think I see how this one works. Ingenious, but a head-scratcher. The cross/Xs are for the odd settings in between where one side is up and other other is down - they keep white and red connected so you get one coil or the other. Both up disconnects white and red from each other so you get parallel coils. I had to draw each position to figure it out. Sorry for doubting. Your diagrams are pretty much always impeccable.

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No worries. It's good to have more than two eyes over any design.
It seems you've got it. The idea is to provide same combos as with a triple shot but, with the help of a couple of DPDT on/on switches, instead.
If you look at my final design, above, you will see that I'm using another approach, to avoid to "hung" the slug coil in hot's path while splitting to screw.
I like it more that way.
:laugh:
 
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Well, I have it all wired up and everything's perfect, except that the slug coil is on when the tone switch is up and the screw coil is on when the volume switch is up. Aside from that, everything went perfect.

 
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lostinthemasses said:
Well, I have it all wired up and everything's perfect, except that the slug coil is on when the tone switch is up and the screw coil is on when the volume switch is up. Aside from that, everything went perfect.

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My fault when writing it, sure.
Glad to see that it worked, anyway.
 
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I have a quick question. I used the Hermetico diagram above to do this wiring and only changed it so that if I pulled up on both volumes I would get the slug coil of one pickup and the screw of the other if the toggle is in the center position, same thing for pulling up on tones only, otherwise I followed the diagram and I'm getting the following problem:

I'm getting unexpected noise (not the split noise which is expected) when the neck is put in series. It's a hum that's irritating and a little louder than I would like. When the neck is put in parallel it's silent (can I therefore assume grounding is okay?). The bridge is quiet in both series and parallel. Any idea offhand what might be the problem?
 
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Obviously, you did something wrong.
Just attach what you did for us to check it.
 
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hermetico said:
What I never liked is the way to split to screw, shortcutting the slug coil with itself in the hot path.
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Is there a reason you don't like this? Sometimes I do this because I run out of other ways to swap between coils.
 
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