Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

[Pierre]

For a Strat, I'd like to have HSS with a 5 way going like this:
1 (well the position closer to the bottom of the body): bridge
2: split bridge
3: middle
4: split bridge + neck
5: neck

If position 4 isn't possible with a standard 5 way, then I guess just the standard middle + neck will do.
Also, I'd like to go from 1 volume + 2 tones to a 2 volumes + 1 tone. The volumes will control the neck and bridge pickups and the tone all the pickups.
I'm guessing the hot wire from the bridge humbucker will go on the first lug, the red and white will solder together on the 2nd lug, which leads me to believe that position 4 won't be available unfortunately...For the volume and tone, I guess I could just unsolder the cap from the neck's tone control and it will be come a volume control right? And disconnect the middle pickup's tone control to connect it again to the bridge but I don't quite know how to do that... Just put it on the bridge's lug on the switch?
Just a little quick written explanation should do, I'll see if i can do the wiring diagram myself Thanks people (or Artie )

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Thanks people (or Artie )

Uh . . . I'm not "people"?? j/k :laugh2:

Let me chew on this. I'm cookin' spaghetti.

Artie

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

What sauce? If you do a nice diagram I'll give you a personal receipe for a Carbonara sauce, simple and yet deli.... sorry this ain't a cooking website. Have fun!
Nah you're not just people, you're like... cool people. I mean everyone is but er... yeah. Thanks!

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

If you do a nice diagram I'll give you a personal receipe for a Carbonara sauce, simple and yet deli.... sorry this ain't a cooking website.

Sounds good. Unfortunately, I don't see any way to do this with a standard 5-way. The problem is, if you have the middle pup on #3, its difficult to have it not on, on #2 and #4. Ironically, doing the opposite is easy - having the middle on in #2 and #4, and off on #3.

What might make a simple alternative is to use a standard 3-way switch wired as normal, then use a push/pull pot to bring in the bridge split at any time. The other alternative would be to use a superswitch.

I can make you a diagram either way. Let me know.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Mhmm the problem is that I wouldn't want to buy stuff for it. Right now it has the 5 way and yeah, I just want to use it with what it has.
Would it be possible to split the bridge humbucker at all with the 5 way? The other positions aren't that important where they are as long as I have access to each pickup individually + the split bridge, along with the neck + bridge/middle individual volume pots. Do you have any other wiring ideas for it if it can't work?

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Having position #4 be split bridge + middle is real simple.

Or, if you didn't mind an unconventional sequence, I could give you this: (I'm using #1 as the neck.)

1. Neck
2. Neck & Bridge
3. Bridge
4. Middle & Bridge split
5. Bridge split

Just an idea.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Mhmm...
How about... I keep the 5 way switch AND get a 500K push pull volume exclusively for the bridge pickup that'd split it? :laugh: I think that'll be much easier. I think I'll have to buy a pot anyway as the 250K i have now may make the humbucker I'm getting a little too bass heavy. Thanks for convincing me I'll have to learn more about wiring some day.
Would a standard push pull volume pot fit in a Strat electronics cavity? And the push pull part has 6 lugs right, where would I have to connect the red and white or hot wire? I think the rest I'll try and figure out myself, it won't hurt. Thanks for the suggestions so far though!

So basically
1: neck
2: middle
3: bridge (splittable) + neck
4: split bridge
5: bridge
The bridge has its own volume control, the other volume control works for neck + middle, and the tone for all pickups.

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Remember, a 5-way only has three lugs. The 5 positions come from the way they connect. So you'ld have, (the conventional):

1. N
2. N & M
3. M
4. M & B
5. B

Then, of course, you could pull the pot to split the bridge in either the 4 and 5 positions, or at any time with a slight wiring mod. I'll post a diagram shortly.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Thanks a bunch! I didn't know about the 3 lugs, I should have done some research before :smack: that'll clear things up

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Thanks a bunch! I didn't know about the 3 lugs, I should have done some research before :smack: that'll clear things up

Sorta . . . its 3 lugs with 1 "common". And thats duplicated once. (2 switches with one handle.)

Basically, this would do it for you:

Normal Strat operation, and then you can bring in the bridge split at any time.

btw - Thats something from my "archive", so ignore the master volume/tone thing and the values.

btw2: Having this arrangement will make it a bit tricky to do two volume controls. Might be possible. Let me think on that a bit.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Er on the 6 pack thing, the top of it is the pot itself right? So that picture is just the pot standing basically.
I'll see if I can figure the rest out about the 2 volume + tone. And was I right about just taking the cap off?
Thanks for everything!

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Er on the 6 pack thing, the top of it is the pot itself right? So that picture is just the pot standing basically.

Thats what the six lugs look like from this perspective:

And was I right about just taking the cap off?

Not exactly. A volume has hot on one lug, ground on the other, with the output taken from the wiper. So you'ld remove the cap, but you'ld also have to ground one lug.

Here's a nice simple reference. Only pay attention to the volume and tone control. Study how they're just a bit different.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/esquire.html

Notice that the "hot" input goes to the other terminal, or "side".

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

That diagram sure helped!
I'll have to connect the hot wire to the right lug, ground the left one and connect the sleeve of the output to both volume pots, right?

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

More or less. Use this diagram to see how they do it. Keep in mind, this is only two pups, but the idea on doing the volumes is the same. Your two volume controls will go in between the two pups you control, and the switch.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/S_2singles2vol1tone1switch.html

There's actually several different 2 vol/1 tone schematics you can look at to get some ideas.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

That works. But my other volume pot will have to control two pickups. Will I have to wire both hot wires from these pickups to the same lug on the neck volume control and then use another wire to connect it to the switch?
Wait no duh! That'd just select both pickups at the same time in position 1 or 2. I'd have to connect the hot wire of the bridge pcikup from the swithc directly to the tone control, and put a hot wire between the switch's lugs that invole the neck and middle controls to a volume control, which will THEN go to the tone.

I think...

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Even though I wasn´t much of a help, I´ll take that Carbonara recipe if you don´t mind

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

PM Sent :laugh2:

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

That works. But my other volume pot will have to control two pickups. Will I have to wire both hot wires from these pickups to the same lug on the neck volume control and then use another wire to connect it to the switch?
Wait no duh! That'd just select both pickups at the same time in position 1 or 2. I'd have to connect the hot wire of the bridge pcikup from the swithc directly to the tone control, and put a hot wire between the switch's lugs that invole the neck and middle controls to a volume control, which will THEN go to the tone.

I think...

I'm fairly certain thats there's simply no way you can have the switching you want and have the 2 volumes the way you want. It just won't work.

I think.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

Well right now, there is two seperate tone controls. If I just convert the neck one into a volume and replace the other volume pot by a 500K push pull one, wouldn't I be able to do it? I'd just wire the red and white to that lug on the pushpull and everything else would still be wire 'the strat way' but with 2 volumes and tone?

Ah yeah but ****, the other tone control doesn't act on the bridge. DAMN.
Does that mean it will always be impossible to get the 2 volumes + tone, or only if I split the bridge pickup?
Ohhhhhh wait wait wait... I could replace the existing volume and make it a tone. Convert the middle's tone control and wire it to the bridge and leave the middle pickup bypassing any tone controls! Would that work then, with the push pull split on the bridge pickup?

 

[Artie]

Re: Wiring diagram needed (quick and easy one)

The problem I see, is that the "split" will bypass the volume control.

Let me chew on this a bit more and see what I can come up with.