Wiring help please

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Conker09

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I have tried looking for a thread which could help me but haven't found one yet.

I play a Schecter s-1 elite which I installed the JB/Jazz set in last summer. I have loved this guitar since I bought it, especially after I installed the SD pickups.

My current problem is I really want to set up something like Jimmy Page's wiring in my guitar. The only problem is that the S-1 only has 3 pots (2 volume, 1 tone) and a 3 way selector switch. I ordered 3 CTS 500k push/pull pots at my local guitar shop here and expect to be getting them in the next couple of weeks. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on the best way to pull a similar wiring off with my set up.

I currently have both pickups set up for coil tap on the tone pot. I just really like to have the ability to get as many different sounds out of one guitar as possible. The reverse phasing and the coil tapping are things I'd like to be able to do.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
--Luke
 
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with TS-1s and three push pulls you can
have one do phase reversal--- kick one out of phase for the cool nasaly sound
have one do series ----- ties both pickups together so the amp sees one big pickup
and have the third turn on a light that blinks "ROCK ON" on the upper horn
 
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ehdwuld said:
with TS-1s and three push pulls you can
have one do phase reversal--- kick one out of phase for the cool nasaly sound
have one do series ----- ties both pickups together so the amp sees one big pickup
and have the third turn on a light that blinks "ROCK ON" on the upper horn
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This must be done. I shall go out and buy a cheap body and some LED's.
 
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A couple of questions about this.

1: Do these require any batteries in order to use?

2: Is the installation simple? I'm fairly adept at soldering/and harness repair. Also, if you're soldering your leads to that device, where are you shoving all the excess cable.

3: Are the rings one size fits all? I don't want to invest the money just to find out that the rings don't fit very well on my body.

Thank you for the input. I never even knew things like that existed. It seems so amazing.
 
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Conker09 said:
I don't want to invest the money just to find out that the rings don't fit very well on my body.
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Er, why do you want to fit guitar pickup rings on your body? Is this equivalent to the old Spike Milligan "Goon Show" joke.

Eccles: How do I open this door?
Bluebottle: You turn the knob on your side.
Eccles: I don't have a knob on my side.

WAITS FOR AUDIENCE LAUGH. NOT A SAUSAGE.
 
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Conker09 said:
A couple of questions about this.

1: Do these require any batteries in order to use?

2: Is the installation simple? I'm fairly adept at soldering/and harness repair. Also, if you're soldering your leads to that device, where are you shoving all the excess cable.

3: Are the rings one size fits all? I don't want to invest the money just to find out that the rings don't fit very well on my body.

Thank you for the input. I never even knew things like that existed. It seems so amazing.
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no
the TS-1s dont need batteries
the joke bout the LED light did

they have a version for flat top guitars and for carved top
you could run into problems if you have a strat style
where the ring makes it hard to get the volume knob back on

EDIT
I just wrapped the excess lead wire round the ears of the pickups
you could cut em if you like
but not too short
as you may wanna do something else later with them
 
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You don't happen to have a schematic anywhere for all of this do you?

I really want to try this out but i think i'll need a schematic if i don't want to screw anything up.
 
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Cool man. Thanks a lot for all the info, I really appreciate it.

I'll give all that a look and read more into it. I've definitely made up my mind about that. It just seems so awesome.
 
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Okay...lemme ask one more thing.

So, the triple shots will allow me to Swith between series/parallel/and coil tap for each pickup. Both my Volume pots will reverse phase their designated pickup. Any suggestions on what to do with the Tone push/pull?
 
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Conker09 said:
Okay...lemme ask one more thing.

So, the triple shots will allow me to Swith between series/parallel/and coil tap for each pickup. Both my Volume pots will reverse phase their designated pickup. Any suggestions on what to do with the Tone push/pull?
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Personally, I'm fond of the "lead" switch that bypasses the volume and tone pots for the bridge pickup.
Basically, you'd wire "down" to come off the hot lug of the volume(the wire that would normally go to the output jack) to the p/p "down lugs" and then to the output jack, so it's normal and "up" to come off the bridge lug of the 3-way, to the "up lugs" and then to the output jack.

Guys, I'm doing this off the top of my head, so please feel free to correct.

MM
 
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MojoMonster said:
Personally, I'm fond of the "lead" switch that bypasses the volume and tone pots for the bridge pickup.
Basically, you'd wire "down" to come off the hot lug of the volume(the wire that would normally go to the output jack) to the p/p "down lugs" and then to the output jack, so it's normal and "up" to come off the bridge lug of the 3-way, to the "up lugs" and then to the output jack.

Guys, I'm doing this off the top of my head, so please feel free to correct.

MM
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So...i'm not sure if i'm following...

are you making one of the p/p's a kill switch?
 
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Conker09 said:
So...i'm not sure if i'm following...
are you making one of the p/p's a kill switch?
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No, although that would be an option as well.
You're using the push/pull as a switch between the hot volume lug, what would normally be connected to the output jack, and a "lead" selection which would come right off the 3-way switch bridge lug, go to the push/pull and then out to the output jack, consequently bypassing the volume and tone pots.

The "lead" switch is more common to Strat wiring schemes... but basically bypassing the volume and tone pots gives you a "straight to the output jack", highest-treble-possible sound.
Perfect for standing out a little bit more during a solo or particularly tasty lick.

MM
 
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MojoMonster said:
No, although that would be an option as well.
You're using the push/pull as a switch between the hot volume lug, what would normally be connected to the output jack, and a "lead" selection which would come right off the 3-way switch bridge lug, go to the push/pull and then out to the output jack, consequently bypassing the volume and tone pots.

The "lead" switch is more common to Strat wiring schemes... but basically bypassing the volume and tone pots gives you a "straight to the output jack", highest-treble-possible sound.
Perfect for standing out a little bit more during a solo or particularly tasty lick.

MM
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Good recommendation...but i already have the JB on a Mahogany body....not much more teble I need lol.
 
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Conker09 said:
Good recommendation...but i already have the JB on a Mahogany body....not much more teble I need lol.
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Hmm, then the only other things I can think of to use a p/p for would be a cap swap, which tends to be a subtle thing.

MM
 
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MojoMonster said:
Hmm, then the only other things I can think of to use a p/p for would be a cap swap, which tends to be a subtle thing.

MM
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The funny thing is I started this thread not knowing how I would fit all the Jimmy Page mods on my guitar...now I'm trying to decided what to do with the spare P/P's lol.

I'm trying to read as much of these threads as possible in order to gain as much knowledge on the matter as possible. But some of what i'm reading doesn't make any since to me...for instance...

Coil Split: I understand this concept pretty well as my guitar currently has a p/p which splits my coils. But it seems you can actually determine which coil is being hearn with the triple shot if i'm not mistaken. Is this true?

Parallel: All I know about this is that most guitars are wired in parallel stock. But I don't truly understand exactly what this means in electronic terms.

Series: All I read about this is that it gives your guitar a fuller/fatter sound. But what exactly is going on here? When set to series, does each pickup sound different when flipping the selecter switch or do you get the same sound no matter which pickup is selected.

Reverse Phase: Is this and out of phase the same thing? All I know about this is I want it. I know Page uses reverse phasing on songs like Houses of the Holy, and i love that sound and want to be able to do something similar. But people are saying you don't need a switch to reverse phase on the bridge AND neck pickup as reverse phasing incorporates both pickups simultaneously.

If that's true, what is this I read about making a pickup out of phase with itself? Is this a completely different sound? And also, is this something you have to wire each pickup seperately to do?

Sorry for all the questions, I've just started researching wirings and whatnot and find it very interesting. I just need a better grasp on the electronic side of things. Schematics would be very helpful for me if anyone has them. Or perhaps if you could link me to a site with ample information on the subject.
 
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