Wiring suggestions/help

[BeKindRewind]

I finally bought a set of pickups for my HSH ibanez. Yeah I've been deliberating, asking for advice, and changing my mind for about 2 years since I bought the thing but I finally decided. I've been kinda naughty and I bought a set of dimarzios but I know you guys will help a brother out !

What I got were a set of Evolutions (except with the SDS-1 in the middle) and I wanna do a cool versatile wiring scheme. I bought a push/pull pot with it.

See the guitar was set up for auto split from the factory, and I do like that set of 5 tones but I miss my bridge/neck tone you usually get in the middle with a HH setup.

And I feel like the non-split bridge/middle and neck/middle are too good to sacrifice for auto split . It'd be nice to have ALL the options available somehow. So I could rock it as an 'SSS' , Strat style,(the Evo's sound great split. From the clips I've heard. One of my main buying factors.) You know I'd mostly play in the 2 and 4 positions here but I feel like 1, 3 and 5 would still be useful in some situations.

But then could I also have all the non-split combinations AND have my middle position actually be the bridge/neck? I feel like I have to pick one or the other, cause if I wire it like that then I won't be able to have my "middle single coil only" tone in 'SSS' mode.


So yeah, any suggestions how you would do it or what you think would sound nice would be appreciated fellas.

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Re: Wiring suggestions/help

What you want is doable. You would just need a 5 way superswitch and a 2nd 2PDT switch. Position 3 would be wired so that it has bridge and neck pups combined, without the middle pup. Positions 2 and 4 would be wired to be bridge and middle, and neck and middle, reapectively. The 2nd switch would work so that when its inactive/down, the middle pickup is only active in positions 2 and 4. And when the 2nd switch is active/up, the output signal from the superswitch is disconnected from thr Master Volume, and the output from the middle pickup (only) goes to the Master Volume pot. So the 2nd switch is what gives you the option to have middle pickup only, and it is acting as an overide of the superswitch.

Obviously the 1st 2DPT switch you originally mentioned is being used to either coilsplit both neck and bridge humbuckers at once or no coilaplits at all.

Would you like me to create a diagram for this? If yes, how many pots are on the guitar, what does each one do, and do you want the 2nd 2DPT switch setup as another push-pull pot or as a toggle switch?

 

[MikeS]

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I think I have this working with a superswitch and a single push/pull. This is pretty crude, and I can clean it up, but I think it's decipherable enough for others to verify the switching. This should yield the following:

Push/Pull (bottom 4 contacts in diagram engaged)
1. Bridge Split
2. Bridge Split & Middle
3. Middle
4. Neck Split & Middle
5. Neck Split

Push/Pull (top 4 contacts in diagram engaged)
1. Bridge Humbucker
2. Bridge Humbucker & Middle
3. Bridge Humbucker & Neck Humbucker
4. Neck Humbucker & Middle
5. Neck Humbucker

It's late, WAY past my bedtime, so another set of eyes would be appreciated.

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

Re: Wiring suggestions/help

I think I have this working with a superswitch and a single push/pull. This is pretty crude, and I can clean it up, but I think it's decipherable enough for others to verify the switching. This should yield the following:

Push/Pull (bottom 4 contacts in diagram engaged)
1. Bridge Split
2. Bridge Split & Middle
3. Middle
4. Neck Split & Middle
5. Neck Split

Push/Pull (top 4 contacts in diagram engaged)
1. Bridge Humbucker
2. Bridge Humbucker & Middle
3. Bridge Humbucker & Neck Humbucker
4. Neck Humbucker & Middle
5. Neck Humbucker

It's late, WAY past my bedtime, so another set of eyes would be appreciated.

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I did trace out all 10 positions - and what you came up with works perfectly! Pic below shows the traces for the two versions of Position 3 (P/P up and P/P down). This is all pretty brilliant - major kudos!

BeKindRewind: forget my earlier suggestion which - while it worked - required an additional switch. Mike S nailed it here with just one switch.

 

[BeKindRewind]

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Whoah, cool. you guys are amazing, thank you both so much!

I don't believe the switch that came with the guitar is a super switch, is it? i can't find it right now (guitar is disassembled for cleaning before new pickups) , but i really don't think it had that many lugs. what's a good brand to buy?

 

[Jack_TriPpEr]

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Whoah, cool. you guys are amazing, thank you both so much!

I don't believe the switch that came with the guitar is a super switch, is it? i can't find it right now (guitar is disassembled for cleaning before new pickups) , but i really don't think it had that many lugs. what's a good brand to buy?

You're welcome. I learned some new tricks from Mike S on this one.

What's the model of your Ibanez HSH? Your original post doesn't say.

 

[BeKindRewind]

Re: Wiring suggestions/help

You're welcome. I learned some new tricks from Mike S on this one.

What's the model of your Ibanez HSH? Your original post doesn't say.

It's an RG1570, 2006 model I believe.


Hey I was wondering. Ok this might be kinda crazy and unnecessary but if I DID add a second switch could I make that override everything and make a third option for auto-split like the default Ibanez wiring was ? I know that's a lot to ask and probably isn't possible but it would be cool to have all 3 options on tap .

I do have another push/push pot laying around. It's 250k but I doubt it'd affect my tone enough that I'd care so that could be my second switch .

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[Jack_TriPpEr]

Re: Wiring suggestions/help

It's an RG1570, 2006 model I believe.


Hey I was wondering. Ok this might be kinda crazy and unnecessary but if I DID add a second switch could I make that override everything and make a third option for auto-split like the default Ibanez wiring was ? I know that's a lot to ask and probably isn't possible but it would be cool to have all 3 options on tap .

I do have another push/push pot laying around. It's 250k but I doubt it'd affect my tone enough that I'd care so that could be my second switch .

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BeKindRewind,

This Ibanez-issued diagram I found onlinr that has printed on it "RG1570" uses a specialized superswitch, the 3PS1SC5. It is limited in what pickup combinations it can yield. I am going to assume it doesn't support what you want to do, but the next link that follows contains a schematic for that switch if someone wants to spend the time to analyze if its possible. Link: https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...RG9QM-wiring&p=4397649&viewfull=1#post4397649

With regards to recommendations for which superswitch to purchase, one common concern is the height dimension of different models of superswitches (some can be tall) and whether your particular guitar's control cavity has enough room to accomodate that model. See this link to another thread where i went into more detail about specific switch models:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...sh-pull-2hum&p=4404654&viewfull=1#post4404654

[Edit] Also, based on the diagram below, your new wiring scheme that Mike and I helped you with covers the same ground as the original diagram. You won't be losing anything with the new scheme. So no need for the 2nd switch you just asked about.

 

[MikeS]

Re: Wiring suggestions/help

Hey I was wondering. Ok this might be kinda crazy and unnecessary but if I DID add a second switch could I make that override everything and make a third option for auto-split like the default Ibanez wiring was ? I know that's a lot to ask and probably isn't possible but it would be cool to have all 3 options on tap .

I do have another push/push pot laying around. It's 250k but I doubt it'd affect my tone enough that I'd care so that could be my second switch .

To be clear, you want these 3 operations:
1) Split the humbuckers and create a traditional SSS operation on the 5-way.
2) No splitting, middle position is neck & bridge.
3) Original Ibanez HSH operation (auto-splitting in the 2 & 4 positions)

Let me know that's what you want and I'll see what I can do... it's not as simple as tacking on a push/pull to the original diagram. This might end up being similar to Jack_TriPpEr's initial post. I think it's likely to yield you a fourth operation that is like #2 above but with splits, which yields a tone you didn't previously have: neck & bridge humbucker split in the middle position.

Regardless, I'm going to have to clean up that first diagram and add it to my library.