Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

lex666

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Kind of an odd question but was wondering if woodgrain has any effect on tone?

For example, a bookmatched maple flame top on a Les Paul vs. Plain top.

How about the woodgrain on an acoustic? Would a tighter woodgrain pattern on a spruce top affect the sound vs. those with a wider pattern?

What about mis-matched tops, imperfections or deviation in woodgrain?

Thanks,
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Let me go ahead and say you're not going to find anything conclusive here.
 
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Many have said the plaintop Les Pauls tend to sound better- and that is based on the fact that most original Gibson '59's didn't have the insane flame tops that we have today.

IMO it varies piece to piece
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Kind of an odd question but was wondering if woodgrain has any effect on tone?

For example, a bookmatched maple flame top on a Les Paul vs. Plain top.

How about the woodgrain on an acoustic? Would a tighter woodgrain pattern on a spruce top affect the sound vs. those with a wider pattern?

What about mis-matched tops, imperfections or deviation in woodgrain?

Thanks,

how did you figure that?
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

grain has NOTHING to do with the final tone of any guitar and if anyone is convinced it does someone is making money off of being stupid then.
just like a flame top Les paul standard sounds no different than a plain top standard just looks better to the eye.:cool:
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Wide vs tight grain matters on an acoustic, only because wide spacing is generally going to give a more compliant top.

Electrics, do not worry bout it.
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

grain has NOTHING to do with the final tone of any guitar and if anyone is convinced it does someone is making money off of being stupid then.
just like a flame top Les paul standard sounds no different than a plain top standard just looks better to the eye.:cool:

And you are basing this conclusion on what exhaustive scientific study exactly? I think what you mean to say is that wood grain and wood densities/tonal properties make no difference to YOU.
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Who knows? I think this is one of those things that's just not worth worrying about.
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Wide vs tight grain matters on an acoustic, only because wide spacing is generally going to give a more compliant top.

Isn't that what relicing is for? Especially my favorite tools the prybar and belt sander... :33:

Seriously, good info to know.
 
Re: Woodgrain patterns... better tone?

Many have said the plaintop Les Pauls tend to sound better- and that is based on the fact that most original Gibson '59's didn't have the insane flame tops that we have today.
Most of the curly stuff is actually a different variety of maple than was used in most classic Lesters.

The one place where I think grain patterns make a difference in an electric guitar is flatsawn vs. quartersawn necks.
 
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The one place where I think grain patterns make a difference in an electric guitar is flatsawn vs. quartersawn necks.

I thought that too - I've had 2 guitars with Quartersawn neck up until this week. Always seemed to sound "Tighter" than flat sawn. The one I got this week seems to go against my theory. Could be in the individual piece of wood, torreification process, etc. on this one.
 
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Putting thought into woodgrain and tone is an example of how tone chasing can be a bad thing.
 
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I doubt that the grain or pattern makes a discernable difference in tone. If there is any difference at all it is undoubtedly less significant than the thickness and density of the top and perhaps the glue used to adhere it.
 
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I found this on an SD blog. It's a comment on an article about tone woods. Very eye opening. The link to the article is this but read this comment first:

"Wood
is the majority of tone on a electric guitar or any guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
It's a bias or a placebo. A non subjective test must be made to make sure.
Try to make a blind test and I am not certain, but pretty sure you will screw up badly.
I am really waiting till someone makes a real lab test, comparing tones blindly with sound software or something... I really want this myth to be confirmed or denied, because I really want to know for sure.

Logic goes:
Acoustically - Yes, everything on the guitar affects the tone, because the tone comes from strings resonating the wood, and the vibrating wood (The whole guitar actually) is causing the amplified sound.
But when it comes to the Electric guitar signal to the amp, the wood is bypased. The sound comes from the direct vibration of the strings, picked up by magnetic pickups. They do not pick up wood vibration, the vibration of the wood is not amplified. It may or may not be that the wood colors the vibration of the strings, but the effect is so small it's insignificant.
If the body material did a difference, the tone of the guitar would significantly change if you pressed the guitar against a wall, or put the guitar on the floor, because that's like an extention of the body. But it doesn't. Acoustically - Yes, out of pickups - not at all.
Not sure about sustain, but it's said that it's dependant on the materials of bridge and nut, and the magnetic field strength of the pickups.
Electric guitars have been made out of plastics, stone, plywood etc and that didn't stop them from sounding great. Try that on an acoustic and you'll have some weird sounding stuff.

Basically, the tone of the electric guitar is dependant on the pickups, pickup position, the bridge and the nut, the material that strums, strumming technique, The wiring, the main output wire, and the amp, the cabinet, and the room.
 
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My only defence of the "wood affects electric guitar tone" is based a bit on ignorance, but here goes.

Aren't all pickups, to a greater or lesser extent, somewhat microphonic? Wouldn't the acoustic properties of the guitar perhaps come through that way? The only reason I put this forward is that while I instinctively agree that wood shouldn't be a factor (strings vibrating over polepieces) my ears keep telling me something different (ash v. other strats, hollowbodies v. solidbodies with the same pickups). I admit it may be all an auditory illusion, but it must be a case of mass delusion/hysteria given the number of good musicians who think it matters.

P.S. I don't think grain would have a significant impact.
 
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