Wow. I have no respect for what is sacred.
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Re: Wow. I have no respect for what is sacred.
Just use your ears. If you have a preconceived notion of what is good and bad, obviously it's going to cloud your opinions.
I don't mind using SS. I find the best amp I've tried so far is a Fender Twin Reverb (which probably to you guys might be a "been there done that" so long ago.) I'd seriously stop using an amp even if it's fulltube if it sounds bad to me.
Have I tried a SS which is better than a Twin Reverb? Sadly, no SS even comes close so far. I tried a Line6 4x12 stack and it's really good at particular settings (although it's a tad bit too sensitive to get a sweet tone easily), but that just gets blown away by the Twin Reverb.
I also agree - too many companies using cheap components on SS amps, to cut cost and mass manufacture, which lowers the quality of SS amps.
Just use your ears. If you have a preconceived notion of what is good and bad, obviously it's going to cloud your opinions.
I don't mind using SS. I find the best amp I've tried so far is a Fender Twin Reverb (which probably to you guys might be a "been there done that" so long ago.) I'd seriously stop using an amp even if it's fulltube if it sounds bad to me.
Have I tried a SS which is better than a Twin Reverb? Sadly, no SS even comes close so far. I tried a Line6 4x12 stack and it's really good at particular settings (although it's a tad bit too sensitive to get a sweet tone easily), but that just gets blown away by the Twin Reverb.
I also agree - too many companies using cheap components on SS amps, to cut cost and mass manufacture, which lowers the quality of SS amps.
Re: Wow. I have no respect for what is sacred.
there are always exceptions- i am a pro too, but i use a modeling amp (GTPro) straight into the PA in very loud situations, have lots and lots of tones, both classic and completely whacked out/doesn't sound remotely like a guitar sounds too. I have used lots and lots of amps, both SS and Tube- my current amp for small shows is a non-master volume M/B Blue Angel. I chose both setups because I liked the sounds, nothing more.
there are always exceptions- i am a pro too, but i use a modeling amp (GTPro) straight into the PA in very loud situations, have lots and lots of tones, both classic and completely whacked out/doesn't sound remotely like a guitar sounds too. I have used lots and lots of amps, both SS and Tube- my current amp for small shows is a non-master volume M/B Blue Angel. I chose both setups because I liked the sounds, nothing more.
Jackson Distortion
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Re: Wow. I have no respect for what is sacred.
(peeks around corner)
Hi guys, it's me, the infamous 'tube hater', I'm still alive and kickin' (thread must not've sunk in yet).
First of all, I don't hate ...tube amps. I know I got all overly 'dramatique' above, it's just that for the first time in my mature musical life I find myself increasingly becoming outspoken (as in aloud) about my musical convictions.
Like many young folk, they are bombarded with, 'useful' information older, and supposedly more, mature musician's 'feed' them to what's the best in tone. I guess, for me, when I plug into my solid state, and get overly harmonic overdrive, the tube feel, and it not being tube, I think how 'impressionable minds' get all rabid about tube tone and they don't even know there's an art to tweaking something as 'simple' as general eq. Being older now and being free from the clutches of evil (me being dramatic again), I can think about just making great songs now and not putting an overt obsession with tone. Don't get me wrong though, it took me 5 months to acheive my current tone with nothing but guitar and amp (hence why I recognize it's an art), but I'm just a guy who is somewhat all about the quickest fix when it comes to makin' music.
I get great tone and feel from my SS, I can kick it over and it's relatively easy to replace (inexpensive and plentiful), no waiting to standby for tubes to warm up and cool down for transport, etc.
I, by no means am putting tubes down, heck, if to me they turned me into a giant and made me King of Mars, and didn't have to be cared for so, and I wasn't fickle with my cash, I'd maybe own one.
But, please, no one should feel offended about my enthusiasum for great inexpensive tone. Just get riled up 'bout the haters who ears aren't yet open (or staunch, clenched cheeked, tone mongers) about getting good tone from different amps-- inexpensive or boutique, but in this case SS.
JD out
(peeks around corner)
Hi guys, it's me, the infamous 'tube hater', I'm still alive and kickin' (thread must not've sunk in yet).
First of all, I don't hate ...tube amps. I know I got all overly 'dramatique' above, it's just that for the first time in my mature musical life I find myself increasingly becoming outspoken (as in aloud) about my musical convictions.
Like many young folk, they are bombarded with, 'useful' information older, and supposedly more, mature musician's 'feed' them to what's the best in tone. I guess, for me, when I plug into my solid state, and get overly harmonic overdrive, the tube feel, and it not being tube, I think how 'impressionable minds' get all rabid about tube tone and they don't even know there's an art to tweaking something as 'simple' as general eq. Being older now and being free from the clutches of evil (me being dramatic again), I can think about just making great songs now and not putting an overt obsession with tone. Don't get me wrong though, it took me 5 months to acheive my current tone with nothing but guitar and amp (hence why I recognize it's an art), but I'm just a guy who is somewhat all about the quickest fix when it comes to makin' music.
I get great tone and feel from my SS, I can kick it over and it's relatively easy to replace (inexpensive and plentiful), no waiting to standby for tubes to warm up and cool down for transport, etc.
I, by no means am putting tubes down, heck, if to me they turned me into a giant and made me King of Mars, and didn't have to be cared for so, and I wasn't fickle with my cash, I'd maybe own one.
But, please, no one should feel offended about my enthusiasum for great inexpensive tone. Just get riled up 'bout the haters who ears aren't yet open (or staunch, clenched cheeked, tone mongers) about getting good tone from different amps-- inexpensive or boutique, but in this case SS.
JD out
Boogie Bill
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The future of amps is....DIGITAL.....
....the internet.....Wireless transmissions to HEADSETS....
"Live from Al's Bar and Grill..The Hooters & Scooters!"
....wanna hear the band? Just pickup your headsets at the door...$10 rental fee.
Or, log on to our website, and catch our web-cast...we take Visa and Mastercard....
no amps...
No...LOUD NOISES.....
....personal "immersion"....allows you to set your own volume...
Wireless in-ear monitors for EVERYBODY...
Bill
The future of amps is....DIGITAL.....
....the internet.....Wireless transmissions to HEADSETS....
"Live from Al's Bar and Grill..The Hooters & Scooters!"
....wanna hear the band? Just pickup your headsets at the door...$10 rental fee.
Or, log on to our website, and catch our web-cast...we take Visa and Mastercard....
no amps...
No...LOUD NOISES.....
....personal "immersion"....allows you to set your own volume...
Wireless in-ear monitors for EVERYBODY...
Bill
Jeroen
New member
Re: Wow. I have no respect for what is sacred.
Modeling preamp through tube poweramp :banana:
Now that's a kind of hybrid I love! I plug my GT-8 into the rear of a 6L6-driven H&K Triamp combo, and it sounds kickass! If only I had a stereo tube poweramp and two Mesa Thiele 1x12 EV cabs :fingersx:
Modeling preamp through tube poweramp :banana:
Now that's a kind of hybrid I love! I plug my GT-8 into the rear of a 6L6-driven H&K Triamp combo, and it sounds kickass! If only I had a stereo tube poweramp and two Mesa Thiele 1x12 EV cabs :fingersx:
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
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What SS Crate preamp are you using that gives you gobs of harmonic overdrive and tube-like feel? I figure this thing would have caught on like wildfire by now :laugh2:. I'm not necessarily being skeptical, just curious really.
I played through a pretty big rack powered by a Line 6 PODxT Pro for a while, and it did sound pretty cool and was incredible for direct recording. It came down to the fact that it just didn't have the feel factor of a reasonably nice tube amp (Mesa Rectoverb in my case), and once I traded that for a VHT Pitbull the difference was immediately apparent. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the modeling stuff is great, especially for tricking the listener... but listening and playing are two totally different ball games.
That said, I'm using a Line 6 Spider as my practice amp and it gets the job done and then some.
What SS Crate preamp are you using that gives you gobs of harmonic overdrive and tube-like feel? I figure this thing would have caught on like wildfire by now :laugh2:. I'm not necessarily being skeptical, just curious really.
I played through a pretty big rack powered by a Line 6 PODxT Pro for a while, and it did sound pretty cool and was incredible for direct recording. It came down to the fact that it just didn't have the feel factor of a reasonably nice tube amp (Mesa Rectoverb in my case), and once I traded that for a VHT Pitbull the difference was immediately apparent. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the modeling stuff is great, especially for tricking the listener... but listening and playing are two totally different ball games.
That said, I'm using a Line 6 Spider as my practice amp and it gets the job done and then some.
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danglybanger
ReelItInologist
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I was turned off to digital amp technology with the line 6 spider 1, an amp that I asked my parents for when I was 16 before even playing it because it was relatively cheap compared to other 100 watters and looked kind of cool I thought at the time.
It was better than the 1 watt 9 volt battery powered practice amp I used at the time.
As I got better, I learned that the line 6 spider was an awful mud machine. I got cheated when I tried to sell it, but to be honest, I didn't feel like selling that amp to anyone in good conscience. it just sounded too awful to force on anyone. So when hellrider (yeah) decided not to give me the acoustic that was my end of the trade, I decided it was karma for not burning the thing in the first place.
Went into a music store decided to get a cheap marshall MG, or at least something that sounded "normal".
Sales dude turns me on to a vox valvetronix. Got cool sounds, blew away the MG in sounding more like a marshall than it did. Cost less too I recall.
I don't think my playing skill at this points warrants anything other than the AD30VT. I wouldn't sound any better playing a real blackface fender :laugh2:
looking forward to see what technology can do next. But I still think the ideallized tones are the ones invented 40 years ago. Hopefully there'll be a few new ones.
slade
I was turned off to digital amp technology with the line 6 spider 1, an amp that I asked my parents for when I was 16 before even playing it because it was relatively cheap compared to other 100 watters and looked kind of cool I thought at the time.
It was better than the 1 watt 9 volt battery powered practice amp I used at the time.
As I got better, I learned that the line 6 spider was an awful mud machine. I got cheated when I tried to sell it, but to be honest, I didn't feel like selling that amp to anyone in good conscience. it just sounded too awful to force on anyone. So when hellrider (yeah) decided not to give me the acoustic that was my end of the trade, I decided it was karma for not burning the thing in the first place.
Went into a music store decided to get a cheap marshall MG, or at least something that sounded "normal".
Sales dude turns me on to a vox valvetronix. Got cool sounds, blew away the MG in sounding more like a marshall than it did. Cost less too I recall.
I don't think my playing skill at this points warrants anything other than the AD30VT. I wouldn't sound any better playing a real blackface fender :laugh2:
looking forward to see what technology can do next. But I still think the ideallized tones are the ones invented 40 years ago. Hopefully there'll be a few new ones.
slade
Telesexual
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Really depends on the amp. Id take the Flextone over and Mesa Rectifer or DSL anyday, but through me a JTM45 and I would take that in a heart beat
Really depends on the amp. Id take the Flextone over and Mesa Rectifer or DSL anyday, but through me a JTM45 and I would take that in a heart beat
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
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Nobody´s hating, there are some SS amps that really sound good. And if it sounds the way you wwant it to and inspires you, then that´s all that counts.
Most of use simply grew up (and still grow up) listening to guitar tones produced by vacuum tube amplifiers. These tones are to this day unmimicable by even the most advanced digital processing, not to mention most SS amps.
And that´s why most of us prefer tubes... to us, they sound "right", if you understand what I mean
Nobody´s hating, there are some SS amps that really sound good. And if it sounds the way you wwant it to and inspires you, then that´s all that counts.
Most of use simply grew up (and still grow up) listening to guitar tones produced by vacuum tube amplifiers. These tones are to this day unmimicable by even the most advanced digital processing, not to mention most SS amps.
And that´s why most of us prefer tubes... to us, they sound "right", if you understand what I mean
larry_emder
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Zerb is right.....its what we're used to. Actually i'm not used to it, i started with a ss bass amp..... now i have a podxt and a little mesa.....both have their place and both can sound realllly good (use the pod for effects on stage in the mesa's effects loop), and the pod KILLS the mesa in a recording environment for me....can run the bass, guitar, drums and vocals thru it and get diesent results:smokin:
Also , the headphone recording/practice on the pod sealed the deal for me......soooo handy in the middle of the night
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Zerb is right.....its what we're used to. Actually i'm not used to it, i started with a ss bass amp..... now i have a podxt and a little mesa.....both have their place and both can sound realllly good (use the pod for effects on stage in the mesa's effects loop), and the pod KILLS the mesa in a recording environment for me....can run the bass, guitar, drums and vocals thru it and get diesent results:smokin:
Also , the headphone recording/practice on the pod sealed the deal for me......soooo handy in the middle of the night
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Erlend_G
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Well... i've heard extremely good sounding solid state amps, and also really nasty sounding all-tube amps. As far as i know, the new technology with computer modeled guitar tones is getting so realistic, that soon you cannot hear that it's "digital" anymore. Therefore, i think that we gotta stop thinking about how the amp operates, and rather focus on the tone. As a wise man once said: "What sounds good, simply sounds good".
-Erlend
Well... i've heard extremely good sounding solid state amps, and also really nasty sounding all-tube amps. As far as i know, the new technology with computer modeled guitar tones is getting so realistic, that soon you cannot hear that it's "digital" anymore. Therefore, i think that we gotta stop thinking about how the amp operates, and rather focus on the tone. As a wise man once said: "What sounds good, simply sounds good".
-Erlend
Pecan
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I've played some SS that sound pretty nice, but its my preferance to have a nice tube amp. Theres tube amps that suck out there, and theres SS amps that suck. I play classic rock, heavy rock and metal and for me my classic 30 does it pretty sweet, no effects needed. But only when I get some good ol' tube overdrive, its gotta be at least 7 or 8 outta 12 before the tone is sweet, and thats why a decent SS amp that sounds just as well is sometimes better. That being said I find the "MAJORITY" of SS amps sterile, cant think of a better word. But when you find a decent SS they are pretty sweet.
I've played some SS that sound pretty nice, but its my preferance to have a nice tube amp. Theres tube amps that suck out there, and theres SS amps that suck. I play classic rock, heavy rock and metal and for me my classic 30 does it pretty sweet, no effects needed. But only when I get some good ol' tube overdrive, its gotta be at least 7 or 8 outta 12 before the tone is sweet, and thats why a decent SS amp that sounds just as well is sometimes better. That being said I find the "MAJORITY" of SS amps sterile, cant think of a better word. But when you find a decent SS they are pretty sweet.
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Erlend_G
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Didn't know that amps have headstocks?
Didn't know that amps have headstocks?
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Erlend_G
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Sorry, brain fart ^^
Sorry, brain fart ^^
