Wow! What happened to Peavey?

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

im a great prson with a great outlook on life in general but im done flushing money down the toilet on substandard gear. Frankly you're just an anonmyous person on the internet taking a shot at me because i don't agree with you. You would hardly be in the minority.

I bet you're a GREAT person! It's just that you always seem to be bashing something, going off on tangents to talk down on something and/or extrapolating generalizations to the extremes with a rather pessimistic undercurrent. That comes across a bit..."grumpy" is all I was saying!

P.S.- "Taking shots at you" is a total exaggeration. And bad gloss is still cooler than no gloss. :stooges:

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

P.S.-P.S.- I just noticed that Artie is a "Slutbucker Pimpologist"...that's awesome! :18:

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

I bet you're a GREAT person! It's just that you always seem to be bashing something, going off on tangents to talk down on something and/or extrapolating generalizations to the extremes with a rather pessimistic undercurrent. That comes across a bit..."grumpy" is all I was saying!

P.S.- "Taking shots at you" is a total exaggeration. And bad gloss is still cooler than no gloss. :stooges:

Just tired of seeing this same topic/different day over & over. Has no indictment on me as a person or my mission statement.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Just tired of seeing this same topic/different day over & over.

What topic...Peavey? Or "substandard gear"?

To the first, I don't think Peavey gets brought up much at all. To the second, "substandard" is highly subjective.

 

[Empty Pockets]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

I don't buy for a second that guitars are becoming irrelevant due to electronic music rising in popularity nor "kids" not caring about their parents' old gear any longer. Those arguments are overplayed and have been for the past 10-15 years with zero real-world proof to back them up.

The truth is that the guitar market is the LARGEST it has ever been and it's continuing to grow!

Gear from the '70s and '80s that was shunned by mainstream players is cool again and manufacturers have steadily moved into the digital space to accompany that expanding user base of creators who make music from their bedrooms and home studios.

Guitars have become a part of genres that used to be practically anti-guitar and new technologies are emerging all the time which keep it extremely relevant.

"Bands" may be less prominent (not sure if that's actually the case), but band-like entities are finding new ways to collaborate thanks to technology. Check out this incredibly long-distance collaboration by several talented artists, including a great guitarist clearly inspired by John Petrucci. Sure, they have a "band" name, but you'll probably never see them in person! Still great music and full of catchy guitars:

Geez, man, this seems to be your attitude about pretty much everything! I think your gloss should say "Eternal Grumpmaster"!

I don't see that chart saying anything besides people with money are spending more money on guitar things, which just makes guitar things harder for poorer people to buy. I don't see any indication that the general population is playing guitar more often. I think people in their 30s now are on the younger side of the whole "buy and collect expensive guitars and amps" thing as far as the average middle-class working person is concerned, especially as the middle class gets smaller and smaller and more and more people are unemployed and in poverty.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Nowhere in that chart is anything you said actually confirmed (nor denied, admittedly), but people see what they want to see. Still, there are plenty of signs elsewhere that the guitar market is still thriving and doing better than it was 10 years ago.

As for the "class" argument, we live in an era where $300 in 2020 dollars buys a pretty solid guitar and amp sims are free online. In the '80s and '90s, you had to spend way over that (in '80s and '90s dollars, which is $$$$ equivalent today) to get what you can get on a serious budget now.

Regarding the "value" of older instruments like Peavey guitars, I'm in agreement with you...it's highly unlikely that they will ever hold any real value to the next generation. Especially when the culture of attitudes toward products like guitars is about "more", "newer", "flashier" and "better".

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

In the last 2 years the music industry actually came out & said people are buying less & less guitars & gear especially expensive stuff basically cuz new music has no "guitar hero's" and most new music have no guitar parts whatsoever.

70% of people have real world problems like paying for health care/rent/utilities/food especially right now.

$5000 Les pauls & $4500 tube amps are first world problems for Trust fund kids.



As for Masta C trying to subtly bully me into acting & feeling the way he wants me to.

[and if you wern't you would not have 4 rebuttles to my original post] ....

I live my life by my set of rules and pay for my own internet.

Cant make it anymore clear than that. And yes Peavey crap gets brought up every week. Its a small internet and i spent less than an hour here per week.

I try to share things that might help people and that are more interesting than "what tubes for my 5150" ?

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/d/saint-louis-peavey-w/7155868957.html

This is the reality and end of the line where most PV type Chinese mass produced crap end up, clogging up the CL's of the world.

 

[Cynical]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Yes, obviously one person selling a modified 6505+ on Craigslist means that Peavey never made good amps.

When the world re-opens, go to a metal concert. Count the number of bands playing some variant of Peavey 5150 or XXX/JSX. The 5150 has been the gold standard for high-gain tone for 30 years, and has been used on more metal albums than probably anything else for a reason, and that reason isn't "it's crap".

Similar with those $1000 Schecters you mention. Not only are they not made in China (South Korea is a very different country than China), but they're also excellent instruments, with a build quality at least as good as anything that Gibson or Fender have ever put out at any price range (not that that's saying much in Gibson's case, LOL).

Also, "most new musichave no guitar parts whatsoever," what? Have you heard of someone named Taylor Swift? You know, the biggest pop-star of the last decade, who comes from a country music background and who plays acoustic guitar in a huge number of her songs? Sure, she may not be Joe Satriani... but she's a competent professional, and probably a better player than anyone posting on this forum (including me). I know it's cool to disparage the musicianship of pop musicians on guitar forums, but there's a lot of absolutely beastly players in the pop world -- David Bowie (RIP), Prince, and Steve Lukather all come to mind instantly. Any session guitarist for a pop-country band is an absolute monster of a player, even if you don't know their name, even if they're not busting out "look at me!" shred solos every thirty seconds. Any studio session guitarist who gets called in for a pop album (and there's a whole lot of that...) could play circles around any of our delusional rock-star fever dreams about our own skills. Say what you will about pop music, but it's being made by some of the most incredibly skilled craftsmen and craftswomen in history. It may be vapid advertising jingles being made by the greatest musicians ever, but it's still being made by the greatest musicians ever, and neither you nor I could match what they're doing.

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar/

vs

https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/ne...pular-so-why-do-we-think-theyre-dying-630446/

I am an economist. I should know better, but I don't.

I am a game theorist, don't have much to do with data. So I dunno...

B

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

In the last 2 years the music industry actually came out & said people are buying less & less guitars & gear especially expensive stuff basically cuz new music has no "guitar hero's" and most new music have no guitar parts whatsoever.

70% of people have real world problems like paying for health care/rent/utilities/food especially right now.

$5000 Les pauls & $4500 tube amps are first world problems for Trust fund kids.

As for Masta C trying to subtly bully me into acting & feeling the way he wants me to.

[and if you wern't you would not have 4 rebuttles to my original post] ....

I live my life by my set of rules and pay for my own internet.

Cant make it anymore clear than that. And yes Peavey crap gets brought up every week. Its a small internet and i spent less than an hour here per week.

WOW..."Bullying"?!?! Really?!?! Can't believe a guy who makes such bold statements as you is pulling the victim card. That's a cheap play, my friend, and completely unnecessary!

I bet you 10X over that I'm a much nicer and significantly more "positive" person than you are.

By the way, your comments are in opposition. It seems you despise "substandard" products, but then decry elitism when quality products cost actual money.

I'm at the very low-end of middle class and barely even hanging there at the moment, but I guess I'm part of the "bullying bourgeoisie" class somehow? :lmao:

:friday:

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

By the way, I totally expect a slow, drawn-out recession to grab hold and for big expenditures like custom guitars and premium amps to drop significantly over the next year from where things are now, but that simultaneously opens up the market for lower-cost items to increase in popularity and demand.

Economically-speaking, I would be blown away if holiday sales this year could even match last year's. We see housing prices stalling (though still around all-time highs in most areas), fewer people traveling (largely due to restrictions), etc. But there's a definite downstream effect and it's coming.

On the other hand, guitars and music in general have an incredibly low "buy-in" now. Heck, I can get a decent Peavey amp AND a vintage Peavey USA guitar for under $500!

Honestly, I bet sales of musical instruments stay relatively high through this period. After all, more time spent indoors will leave millions of young creatives looking for an outlet and guitar is great for that!

:headbang:

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Now thats free comedy & not worth the price of admission.
I don't know any gigging semi-Pro or Pro musicians using Peavey products & i know many.

Maybe 38 years ago. But if you don't mind Mexican amps melting down have-at-it.

The gutting of PV from the inside out as a company is much the same for many US companies & manufacturing abroad, they all sold out & outsourced. Thats self inflicted.

Thats what were talking about, outsourcing to 3rd world labor to manufacture as cheap as possible to reap huge profits. The quality of the instruments or lack there-of is but a symptom of a larger problem while companies try to ride the coat-ails of decades gone by for a namesake from 40 years ago.

I will always call a spade a spade.

Ive never felt a need to buy any EVH cheesy low budget product.

Look at Marshall, cheap Vietnam crap. *** Predict someone is going to try to sell me on the virtues of Vietnam Marshalls.

 

[NegativeEase]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Globalization happened.

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

By the way, I totally expect a slow, drawn-out recession to grab hold and for big expenditures like custom guitars and premium amps to drop significantly over the next year from where things are now, but that simultaneously opens up the market for lower-cost items to increase in popularity and demand.

Economically-speaking, I would be blown away if holiday sales this year could even match last year's. We see housing prices stalling (though still around all-time highs in most areas), fewer people traveling (largely due to restrictions), etc. But there's a definite downstream effect and it's coming.

On the other hand, guitars and music in general have an incredibly low "buy-in" now. Heck, I can get a decent Peavey amp AND a vintage Peavey USA guitar for under $500!

Honestly, I bet sales of musical instruments stay relatively high through this period. After all, more time spent indoors will leave millions of young creatives looking for an outlet and guitar is great for that!

:headbang:

Try the next decade including real estate. Everyone i know is selling properties now so they don't get screwed the next 10 years. This happens everytime the GOP cuts taxes > triggers a recession. Ive lived thru them all im going on 60. Plus the C19 thing fugget-a-bout-it. Try Depression not recession. We've been in recession since 2016.

 

[JMP/HBE]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Globalization happened.

Wide scale outsourcing started in the 1980's.

 

[NegativeEase]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Wide scale outsourcing started in the 1980's.

Are you saying this because you think I'm not aware? or just adding color?

Globalization could be argued to have gotten legs even earlier at scale... but it didn't catch Peavey or many companies until the 00s.

 

[Artie]

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P.S.-P.S.- I just noticed that Artie is a "Slutbucker Pimpologist"...that's awesome! :18:

Somebody else actually came up with that. They decided to call my virtual 3rd humbucker the Slutbucker, since the neck screw was hanging out with the bridge stud. Then they, or someone, called me the Slutbucker Pimpologist, and it stuck.

Guess what the admins called me before that? Wait for it . . . . . "The Peaveyologist." :fing2:

BTW, all but two of my Peavey guitars are MIA's from 30 to 45 years ago. They work good for me.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Back on topic, please.

Peavey was one of the biggest companies in the 80s. I think a failure to adjust to a changing market, and hanging their whole brand on EVH just about killed them. I think their issue was one of management.

 

[Cynical]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

Now thats free comedy & not worth the price of admission.
I don't know any gigging semi-Pro or Pro musicians using Peavey products & i know many.

Oh, well you don't know anyone using Peavey, that must mean no one is using them, because you know everyone amirite?

I've seen loads of national and international touring acts using 5150s, 6505s, and JSXs. Just to name a few -- D.R.I. (Spike played a JSX), Watain (both guitarists played 6505s), Destroyer 666 (both guitarists played 6505s), Incantation (McEntee played a 5150), Master (Pat played a 6505), Suffocation (Terrance used a XXX)... the list goes on and on, to the point where I notice it more when I'm seeing see a show and no one uses a 6505/5150. It's regularly used by tons of metal producers including Andy Sneap, Colin Richardson, Tore Stjerna, Frederik Nordstrom, and pretty much everyone else who has mattered in heavy music over the last 25 years. The 5150/6505 has been the standard in metal for a ridiculous length of time, and saying "no one uses Peavey" just shows that you know literally nothing about the genre.

It's actually the local bands that are a lot more likely to be playing high-end "boutique" stuff; in touring bands, the only amp I ever see that's over $1500 new is a Dual Recto; otherwise, it's all 5150s, JSX/XXXs, and DSLs.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Wow! What happened to Peavey?

My problem with 5150's/6505's etc..is just that. Everyone & their grand-ma uses them these days and everyone sounds 100% the same. Got no desire to sound like a zillion other players...nothing wrong with those amp's but I would'nt touch any of them them with a barge pole personally.

On the other hand I don't really give a damn where an amp's made if it sounds good and works fine. It's not like any of these amp's are handwired/point-to-point wired etc. They're all PCB based, mass produced, assembly-line kinda amp's (unless you buy some obscure custom built $$$ job) and I personally don't care where that assembly line is located. Anything that sounds fine & works fine (and does'nt cost an arm and a leg) is awesome as **** as far as I'm concerned & all I really care about :bigthumb: